Hollywood-Elsewhere’s Jeff Wells has raised $2,000 in order to screen Tyrannosaur earlier than the studio’s intended screening, in early November.
Jeff believes, and rightly so, that time is of the essence in the Oscar race. Momentum and consensus slowly build around a handful of contenders. Once that momentum gains traction it is often hard to break up the cluster. Of all of the branches, though, the actors are the easiest to infiltrate. The reason for this is that, until you get to the SAGs and the Oscars you don’t have actors voting for actors. You have film critics voting for actors and that is a whole different ball of wax: actors know more about acting than critics do – they know it from the inside out. The trick is always getting them to see the film. There are two ways to do this – the first way is to get to the bloggers, like Jeff, to champion the contender — works sometimes (we championed Winter’s Bone last year, for instance, and Javier Bardem) and sometimes not (we both championed Lesley Manville to no avail). Or you can go straight for the actors themselves. You hold Q&A screenings for SAG members who also might be Academy members.
“Yesterday afternoon I announced Hollywood Elsewhere’s Tyrannosaur fundraising campaign with the idea of raising $2000 to cover the rental of a screening room that Strand Releasing doesn’t want to pay for. I’m happy to announce that just shy of $700 — more than a third of the amount required! — is now in the safe. So I’m asking again for all believers to step up and throw in $20 or so to help pay for this. Tyrannosaur power!”
That was Jeff’s plea. Some of his readers kicked in little amounts but then he got a huge chunk of it from an anonymous donor looking to help out the film. This is a very kind thing to do, especially anonymously. Though I support Jeff 100% I am always skeptical about any kind of campaigning. Oscar voters get hinky about it when it’s too obvious. Or do they? Melissa Leo’s FYC ads from last year didn’t seem to hurt her as she ended up winning that damned Oscar after all.
You can lead an Academy voter to water but you can’t make him think. The truth is that great performances are a matter of opinion – opinion and consensus. To Jeff’s mind, it isn’t fair if no one can even see the film to decide for themselves. That, and he’s probably sick of being one of two or three people championing Colman.
The Academy can’t control our output as bloggers and critics; but they can control access to their members. Try as they might, with plain screener wrappers and party blockage, the Oscars are never going to be just about the movie or the performance. Buzz is what carries a nominee through. Buzz can only be controlled to an extent. Dreamgirls had buzz covered up one side and down the other but it still wasn’t enough to get that film a Best Picture nomination.
One can sometimes get lulled into the notion that the internet is everything and that actual buzz doesn’t have to exist. But it does. The performance has to be good, like Marcia Gay Harden in Pollock good. Like Marion Cotillard in La Vie En Rose good. If it is that good, it shouldn’t be too hard to get a nomination. The problem with Colman isn’t that she isn’t good enough – it’s that there are so many better actresses holding their spot for the Best Actress so whom do you bump?
Meryl Streep, The Iron Lady
Glenn Close, Albert Nobbs
Viola Davis, The Help (confirmed in lead)
Michelle Williams, My Week with Marilyn
Tilda Swinton, We Need to Talk About Kevin
And those I feel pushing through, other than Colman, would be Charlize Theron for Young Adult, Rooney Mara for The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, Ellen Barkin for Another Happy Day, Elizabeth Olsen for Martha Macy May Marlene, Keira Knightley for A Dangerous Method, Michelle Yeoh for The Lady to name a few. Whom do you bump?
Swinton got there first, before any of the other actress’ names were being bandied about. Swinton was buzzed starting all the way back in Cannes. Streep and Close are living legends and Viola Davis is probably going to win. Michelle Williams is a Weinstein contender and bet against them at your own peril. Ditto for Olsen, who is the adept hands of Fox Searchlight.
So then we get down to supporting actress. To Jeff, a case could be made for Colman in supporting. But will the studio run in that? Would Academy voters vote for her in that? She really only needs to get a SAG nod to be really in the running for the Oscar in any category.
But what of Supporting?
We have Octavia Spencer for The Help
Vanessa Redgrave for Corolianus
Jessica Chastain for The Help, Tree of Life, Take Shelter
Janet McTeer for Albert Nobbs
Shailene Woodley for The Descendants
Judy Greer for The Descendants
Sandra Bullock, presumably, for Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close
Marion Cotillard for Midnight in Paris
Vanessa Redgrave for Anonymous
Joely Richardson for Anonymous
Surely Olivia Colman could make it in there somewhere.
I’ve seen people campaign to the Academy both in standard newspaper stories, film reviews, editorials — I’ve seen ads purchased for contenders. What I’ve never seen is someone setting up a screening for a film whose production company can’t afford to set one up. I think that’s aces on Jeff’s part. What do you think?
Just came from that screening. Movie is very good!!! Performances are even better!!! But for me Colman is definitely supporting. All film is about Peter Mullan’s character and he has done a great job. Until this “crying” (Oscar) scene – I preferred his performance over Colman’s. As for the awards – I think it’s not fair to promote only female performance from this strange love story. And Colman just has no chance in Lead category – it’s not that kind of movie – the story is not about her (The same with Williams, but c’mon, she is playing the real person from the movie tittle).
Only chance for Colman is to try play the Jacky Weaver card – “unknown stranger in supporting that we can’t ignore”.
Just came from that screening. Movie is very good!!! Performances are even better!!! But for me Colman is definitely supporting. All film is about Peter Mullan’s character and he has done a great job. Until this “crying” (Oscar) scene – I preferred his performance over Colman’s. As for the awards – I think it’s not fair to promote only female performance from this strange love story. And Colman just has no chance in Lead category – it’s not that kind of movie – the story is not about her (The same with Williams, but c’mon, she is playing the real person from the movie tittle).
Only chance for Colman is to try play the Jacky Weaver card – “unknown stranger in supporting that we can’t ignore”.
Am I the only one who thinks its possible that Viola Davis doesn’t even get nominated? Due to a number of factors (category confusion, the long gap between release and voting, “hotter” performances released towards the end of the year, possibly racial discrimination even) I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if the nominations were announced and her name didn’t come up.
Am I the only one who thinks its possible that Viola Davis doesn’t even get nominated? Due to a number of factors (category confusion, the long gap between release and voting, “hotter” performances released towards the end of the year, possibly racial discrimination even) I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if the nominations were announced and her name didn’t come up.
Going to see the film here in Moscow tomorrow. Hope It’s that good – I’ve booked a ticket for the only one midnight screening. Don’t want to wait until 15 of March when it’s out everywhere.
Going to see the film here in Moscow tomorrow. Hope It’s that good – I’ve booked a ticket for the only one midnight screening. Don’t want to wait until 15 of March when it’s out everywhere.
About the reviews not singling out Colman. Well, when In America (arguably a much “bigger” film in the eyes of The Academy) came out, Samantha Morton wasn’t singled out. Everyone was great in that film. Hounsou got in for supporting, and Morton landed a lead nomination for a near-supporting performance.
But again, that year was SO strange. 12 actresses recieved Globe nominations, and only TWO of them were among the 5 Oscar nominees. That was really an OFF year when it comes to actresses. So weird that the Academy went with three actresses that wasn’t even in the Globe “Top 12”.
Bottom line: Can’t wait to see Colman. But the film sounds SO “small”, and it isn’t fair to compare her with Gay Harden and Cotillard. They both have a huge advantage that Colman doesn’t have. They played real-life well-known women. That’s always an advantage.
About the reviews not singling out Colman. Well, when In America (arguably a much “bigger” film in the eyes of The Academy) came out, Samantha Morton wasn’t singled out. Everyone was great in that film. Hounsou got in for supporting, and Morton landed a lead nomination for a near-supporting performance.
But again, that year was SO strange. 12 actresses recieved Globe nominations, and only TWO of them were among the 5 Oscar nominees. That was really an OFF year when it comes to actresses. So weird that the Academy went with three actresses that wasn’t even in the Globe “Top 12”.
Bottom line: Can’t wait to see Colman. But the film sounds SO “small”, and it isn’t fair to compare her with Gay Harden and Cotillard. They both have a huge advantage that Colman doesn’t have. They played real-life well-known women. That’s always an advantage.
I certainly think she is that good, and I believe you’re in for a big surprise 😉 considering what I’ve read from you in the past years, and the kind of performances which have seemed to touch you, I think this one won’t fail. But now I might be overselling it… I can’t wait to read your take on the film.
I certainly think she is that good, and I believe you’re in for a big surprise 😉 considering what I’ve read from you in the past years, and the kind of performances which have seemed to touch you, I think this one won’t fail. But now I might be overselling it… I can’t wait to read your take on the film.
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Imagine Kristen Wiig suddenly turning a performance à la Emily Watson in Breaking the Waves.
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Imagine Kristen Wiig suddenly turning a performance à la Emily Watson in Breaking the Waves.
I’ve read the Brit press (Guardian, Telegraph, etc) and while her reviews are very good, her performance doesn’t stand out from the rest of the film, which sounds like a very rough go.
You might want to double check that (she is very much the central piece of the British trailer). The reviews are outstanding in the UK, and she is pretty much always singled out. She is a very well known actress over here thanks for being a fixture in TV comedy, but what everybody is talking about is that nobody was expecting that kind of performance from her.
I did just do a rundown of them. They’re good, very good. But usually just a line or two. No one goes on and on about it the way they have done before. But if you’re right, that it’s that good, she definitely has more than a shot…
I’ve read the Brit press (Guardian, Telegraph, etc) and while her reviews are very good, her performance doesn’t stand out from the rest of the film, which sounds like a very rough go.
You might want to double check that (she is very much the central piece of the British trailer). The reviews are outstanding in the UK, and she is pretty much always singled out. She is a very well known actress over here thanks for being a fixture in TV comedy, but what everybody is talking about is that nobody was expecting that kind of performance from her.
I did just do a rundown of them. They’re good, very good. But usually just a line or two. No one goes on and on about it the way they have done before. But if you’re right, that it’s that good, she definitely has more than a shot…
The film is an absolute must-see. I saw it last week and I’m still recovering. Certainly the most impressive debut I’ve seen on screen since Oldman’s Nil By Mouth, and certainly the most remarkable British film I’ve seen since Dead Man Shoes and Hunger. It is raw and incredibly unsettling, but thanks to the cast and especially Colman, extremely poignant. And she definitely gives the best performance I’ve seen so far this year (male or female). She’s incredible and really gets under your skin. I’ve many other films to see till the end of the year, but I doubt any performances will top that.
The film is an absolute must-see. I saw it last week and I’m still recovering. Certainly the most impressive debut I’ve seen on screen since Oldman’s Nil By Mouth, and certainly the most remarkable British film I’ve seen since Dead Man Shoes and Hunger. It is raw and incredibly unsettling, but thanks to the cast and especially Colman, extremely poignant. And she definitely gives the best performance I’ve seen so far this year (male or female). She’s incredible and really gets under your skin. I’ve many other films to see till the end of the year, but I doubt any performances will top that.
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Viola Davis – Best Actress
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Viola Davis – Best Actress
How can I see this movie? Has it already had or will it be receiving any sort of proper theatrical release? AD has me psyched to see it!
How can I see this movie? Has it already had or will it be receiving any sort of proper theatrical release? AD has me psyched to see it!
A lot of the actresses you’ve named are not, IMO, the kind of thing the Academy traditional goes for. There are some which seem sure fire at this point – Davis, Streep (if her film doesn’t horribly tank…and even then maybe).
Performances in films like Swinton’s, Olsen’s, Jones’, and Coleman’s are not the status quo for the academy. Unfortunately, it comes down to one question – which will be championed by the MAJOR critics, so that awareness can be raised to such a level so that voters may pay attention. This can’t happen for all of them – if it does and each gets a fair amount of support in their own right… well then that can potentially hurt all of their chances.
There’s a special case for Close, Theron, Mara, and Williams – these are performances from popular actors (Close, Williams) or performances from mainstream cinema (Mara, Theron). Again, the popularity gives it a supposed advantage over Swinton, Coleman, etc. But these are “fillers” unless any one of them comes and takes the race by storm (unlikely IMO – since none of them really have the narrative for a victory, only Close to a certain extent).
And these fillers could potentially be bumped for one or two of the ladies from the indie sector (Swinton, Olsen). It depends on how the Academy balances quality and popularity this year – it always varies. Often, these indie girls become champions for their films – and if a voter like “Martha Marcy May Marlene” over the performance of Mara or “The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo” (in general)… well then his or her vote will lean towards Olsen (as a way of recognizing her film).
A lot of the actresses you’ve named are not, IMO, the kind of thing the Academy traditional goes for. There are some which seem sure fire at this point – Davis, Streep (if her film doesn’t horribly tank…and even then maybe).
Performances in films like Swinton’s, Olsen’s, Jones’, and Coleman’s are not the status quo for the academy. Unfortunately, it comes down to one question – which will be championed by the MAJOR critics, so that awareness can be raised to such a level so that voters may pay attention. This can’t happen for all of them – if it does and each gets a fair amount of support in their own right… well then that can potentially hurt all of their chances.
There’s a special case for Close, Theron, Mara, and Williams – these are performances from popular actors (Close, Williams) or performances from mainstream cinema (Mara, Theron). Again, the popularity gives it a supposed advantage over Swinton, Coleman, etc. But these are “fillers” unless any one of them comes and takes the race by storm (unlikely IMO – since none of them really have the narrative for a victory, only Close to a certain extent).
And these fillers could potentially be bumped for one or two of the ladies from the indie sector (Swinton, Olsen). It depends on how the Academy balances quality and popularity this year – it always varies. Often, these indie girls become champions for their films – and if a voter like “Martha Marcy May Marlene” over the performance of Mara or “The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo” (in general)… well then his or her vote will lean towards Olsen (as a way of recognizing her film).
Bravo to Jeff for working so hard to promote Olivia Colman’s amazing performance. It’s true that time is of the essence and if the studio isn’t willing to cough up the bucks to campaign Colman seriously then who the heck is gonna do it? I’m quite surprised that very few of the major film critics and bloggers haven’t even seen TYRANNOSAUR yet. Apparently, it’s already out in theatres in the UK. Having seen the film already at TIFF, I can speak honestly and say that Colman deserves to be nominated for the Oscar for Best Actress. Comparing it to Glenn Close in ALBERT NOBBS, Viola Davis in THE HELP, Elizabeth Olsen in MARTHA MARCY MAY MARLENE and Tilda Swinton in WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT KEVIN (all these performances which I already seen) I can say wholeheartedly that Colman’s performance rates at the very top of this pool list.
Bravo to Jeff for working so hard to promote Olivia Colman’s amazing performance. It’s true that time is of the essence and if the studio isn’t willing to cough up the bucks to campaign Colman seriously then who the heck is gonna do it? I’m quite surprised that very few of the major film critics and bloggers haven’t even seen TYRANNOSAUR yet. Apparently, it’s already out in theatres in the UK. Having seen the film already at TIFF, I can speak honestly and say that Colman deserves to be nominated for the Oscar for Best Actress. Comparing it to Glenn Close in ALBERT NOBBS, Viola Davis in THE HELP, Elizabeth Olsen in MARTHA MARCY MAY MARLENE and Tilda Swinton in WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT KEVIN (all these performances which I already seen) I can say wholeheartedly that Colman’s performance rates at the very top of this pool list.
Thanks Sasha. Random thoughts were well appreciated!
Thanks Sasha. Random thoughts were well appreciated!
Hey Sasha, yet AGAIN, another well wrought post. 🙂
I would actually love to hear your thoughts, in either these comments or in a blog post, on the actual legitimacy of film performance.
It seems to me that it’s not up to the actor what the audience sees of their work. It’s the editor and director, working in tandem, deciding which takes make the cut, and cutting and stringing those takes together, that determine a cinema performance. Whenever an actor wins an Oscar, their director and editor should stand up there right with ’em.
Obviously, stalwarts like Streep and Pacino have authenticated their artistry with role after excellent role. 24 nominations between them can’t be wrong.
I personally feel like the stage is where an actor truly shows their mettle. One take, no do-overs, you gotta project, it’s your whole body (not just a close up) you must rely on, etc. Film acting, though potentially brilliant, taxes a different set of muscles.
Your thoughts, Sasha? Once again, I love your writing, and I can’t wait to get more of it as the Oscar rates continues to heat up.
Jeff N., I think there are different skill sets for stage and for film. Some can do both. Some know the nuances of both. I was stunned when I watched Carnage after having seen four other actors do it on stage so much better. One thing about that play – it has to be seen from the stage. It is just too intense for film. Actors needed to do less. That’s the thing about film: you simply do less and you’re believable. Be charming, do less. We are incredibly intuitive, we humans. We can tell fake eyes from real eyes, true emotion from fake emotion. We automatically know when we are buying a performance or not. Yes, some of it is the editing and the direction, some of it is a director knowing when to tell them to do more, do less. It is a gift to be able to be great on film. What I see a lot of now is a lack of training. Used to be you had to go to classes to learn how to walk, speak and move on film. Now you don’t really. You do screen tests. Some of them can do it well, call forth the right emotions at the right time, some can’t. Anthony Hopkins is a master at knowing how to play to the camera, so is Streep. Random thoughts from me…
Hey Sasha, yet AGAIN, another well wrought post. 🙂
I would actually love to hear your thoughts, in either these comments or in a blog post, on the actual legitimacy of film performance.
It seems to me that it’s not up to the actor what the audience sees of their work. It’s the editor and director, working in tandem, deciding which takes make the cut, and cutting and stringing those takes together, that determine a cinema performance. Whenever an actor wins an Oscar, their director and editor should stand up there right with ’em.
Obviously, stalwarts like Streep and Pacino have authenticated their artistry with role after excellent role. 24 nominations between them can’t be wrong.
I personally feel like the stage is where an actor truly shows their mettle. One take, no do-overs, you gotta project, it’s your whole body (not just a close up) you must rely on, etc. Film acting, though potentially brilliant, taxes a different set of muscles.
Your thoughts, Sasha? Once again, I love your writing, and I can’t wait to get more of it as the Oscar rates continues to heat up.
Jeff N., I think there are different skill sets for stage and for film. Some can do both. Some know the nuances of both. I was stunned when I watched Carnage after having seen four other actors do it on stage so much better. One thing about that play – it has to be seen from the stage. It is just too intense for film. Actors needed to do less. That’s the thing about film: you simply do less and you’re believable. Be charming, do less. We are incredibly intuitive, we humans. We can tell fake eyes from real eyes, true emotion from fake emotion. We automatically know when we are buying a performance or not. Yes, some of it is the editing and the direction, some of it is a director knowing when to tell them to do more, do less. It is a gift to be able to be great on film. What I see a lot of now is a lack of training. Used to be you had to go to classes to learn how to walk, speak and move on film. Now you don’t really. You do screen tests. Some of them can do it well, call forth the right emotions at the right time, some can’t. Anthony Hopkins is a master at knowing how to play to the camera, so is Streep. Random thoughts from me…
“If she’s really that good, maybe. I haven’t read many reviews that indicate such.”
Good point – I’ve read the Brit press (Guardian, Telegraph, etc) and while her reviews are very good, her performance doesn’t stand out from the rest of the film, which sounds like a very rough go. Might be wise to focus on her performance over here and get attention for a film that most people would run away from seeing.
Good point – I’ve read the Brit press (Guardian, Telegraph, etc) and while her reviews are very good, her performance doesn’t stand out from the rest of the film, which sounds like a very rough go. Might be wise to focus on her performance over here and get attention for a film that most people would run away from seeing.
Yeah. That was my take. So I’m just waiting to hear more or to see it….
“If she’s really that good, maybe. I haven’t read many reviews that indicate such.”
Good point – I’ve read the Brit press (Guardian, Telegraph, etc) and while her reviews are very good, her performance doesn’t stand out from the rest of the film, which sounds like a very rough go. Might be wise to focus on her performance over here and get attention for a film that most people would run away from seeing.
Good point – I’ve read the Brit press (Guardian, Telegraph, etc) and while her reviews are very good, her performance doesn’t stand out from the rest of the film, which sounds like a very rough go. Might be wise to focus on her performance over here and get attention for a film that most people would run away from seeing.
Yeah. That was my take. So I’m just waiting to hear more or to see it….
Fox Searchlight seems to be pushing Elizabeth Olsen HARD…she’s everywhere. I think she may be closing in on a spot more securely.
Fox Searchlight seems to be pushing Elizabeth Olsen HARD…she’s everywhere. I think she may be closing in on a spot more securely.
If managed properly, she may not necessarily be deemed to “edge out” anybody, but take the lead, a la Emma Thompson in Howard’s End or Glenda jackson in Women In Love, both with about 50% (or less) screen time.
If managed properly, she may not necessarily be deemed to “edge out” anybody, but take the lead, a la Emma Thompson in Howard’s End or Glenda jackson in Women In Love, both with about 50% (or less) screen time.
If she’s really that good, maybe. I haven’t read many reviews that indicate such.
If managed properly, she may not necessarily be deemed to “edge out” anybody, but take the lead, a la Emma Thompson in Howard’s End or Glenda jackson in Women In Love, both with about 50% (or less) screen time.
If managed properly, she may not necessarily be deemed to “edge out” anybody, but take the lead, a la Emma Thompson in Howard’s End or Glenda jackson in Women In Love, both with about 50% (or less) screen time.
If she’s really that good, maybe. I haven’t read many reviews that indicate such.
Also, Colman is arguably a lead in Tyrannosaur. Like Leslie Manville, she’s in about 50% of the film, but everything hings on her performance. (Though it wouldn’t be Hailee Steinfeld level fraud if she went supporting.)
Also, Colman is arguably a lead in Tyrannosaur. Like Leslie Manville, she’s in about 50% of the film, but everything hings on her performance. (Though it wouldn’t be Hailee Steinfeld level fraud if she went supporting.)
Glad to see Wells’ effort, but it’s really hard to say who Colman could edge out. It better not be Tilda!
And FYI there was a screening of Young Adult in Toronto last night.Sadly, I wasn’t able to attend, but word on the tweet is that Charlize Theron is quite good. (My brother went though, and really liked Theron’s performance. I think he said she was better than the film itself.)Consensus also looked to be that the film is good, but a lesser film compared to Reitman’s previous works… although such things are hard to tell from 140 characters…
Glad to see Wells’ effort, but it’s really hard to say who Colman could edge out. It better not be Tilda!
And FYI there was a screening of Young Adult in Toronto last night.Sadly, I wasn’t able to attend, but word on the tweet is that Charlize Theron is quite good. (My brother went though, and really liked Theron’s performance. I think he said she was better than the film itself.)Consensus also looked to be that the film is good, but a lesser film compared to Reitman’s previous works… although such things are hard to tell from 140 characters…
I thought Davis was good in THE HELP but I am not on the bandwagon she is winning the lead actress Oscar, no way. It is not happening, supporting maybe, but it is not that grand of a role or performance to win lead.
I thought Davis was good in THE HELP but I am not on the bandwagon she is winning the lead actress Oscar, no way. It is not happening, supporting maybe, but it is not that grand of a role or performance to win lead.
The Academy can push Viola Davis to supporting if they choose to do so. So, it may be confirmed that she is lead by the studio/distributor but the Academy can always change that come nomination day (ala Kate Winslet).
The Academy can push Viola Davis to supporting if they choose to do so. So, it may be confirmed that she is lead by the studio/distributor but the Academy can always change that come nomination day (ala Kate Winslet).
From all the female performances I saw this year, Colman’s is by far the best. Tilda is great as usual in WNTTAK, but Colman shines in a way that warms you first and breaks your heart later. Totally disagree with your comment of “so many better actresses.” Glad that Wells is supporting her.
From all the female performances I saw this year, Colman’s is by far the best. Tilda is great as usual in WNTTAK, but Colman shines in a way that warms you first and breaks your heart later. Totally disagree with your comment of “so many better actresses.” Glad that Wells is supporting her.
I’m excited to be finally seeing it so I can see her performance for myself. But also, Lesley Manville was so so good and she was pushed so hard by a lot of people. She probably got votes too – it’s just that they liked other actresses more.
From all the female performances I saw this year, Colman’s is by far the best. Tilda is great as usual in WNTTAK, but Colman shines in a way that warms you first and breaks your heart later. Totally disagree with your comment of “so many better actresses.” Glad that Wells is supporting her.
From all the female performances I saw this year, Colman’s is by far the best. Tilda is great as usual in WNTTAK, but Colman shines in a way that warms you first and breaks your heart later. Totally disagree with your comment of “so many better actresses.” Glad that Wells is supporting her.
I’m excited to be finally seeing it so I can see her performance for myself. But also, Lesley Manville was so so good and she was pushed so hard by a lot of people. She probably got votes too – it’s just that they liked other actresses more.