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Big Hollywood Swings and Misses on Zero Dark Thirty

Big Hollywood, in typical wingnut fashion, has attempted to draw a parallel between the hackjob video made to inflame the Middle East because it deliberately baited and made fun of Muslims with Kathryn Bigelow’s Zero Dark Thirty. They never make it to the second thought, though. Countless films have been released about our conflicts with the Middle East, including Bigelow’s last film, Oscar’s 2009 Best Picture winner, The Hurt Locker.  While the Bin Laden film could enflame Bin Laden’s supporters, that would be Al-Quada it’s not likely to piss off the Muslim world the way lampooning their god would do.

The funny part is, the Republicans, and even some of the democrat side, act so appalled by the riots in the Middle East. But try imagine it the other way around – try imagine a Muslim activist (the dude who made this film was in trouble for bank fraud but let’s pretend he’s somewhat legit) making a film that lampooned Jesus Christ and made fun of Americans? There are already violent attacks and paranoid Republicans ramblings about Muslims as it is. We have plenty of fanaticism to go around in this country and yet it’s so easy for politicians to ask as though it could only happen “over there.”

But back to Big Hollywood – if you want to dive straight down the rabbit hole of looney tunes time try reading the comments on this article. The neocons are desperately trying (and failing) at trying to disqualify President Obama from being able to take any credit for the raid and assassination of Bin Laden. It’s embarrassing for that party, you see, because Obama did in four years what George W. Bush could not do in eight. He was too busy invading Iraq and Afghanistan.  Yes, the team that eventually got Bin Laden had been working on it for many years but Obama was in power at the time, he gave the go-ahead to enter the compound and thus, it’s his administration that gets to take credit for it, just like the Bush administration has to take credit for 9/11, even though that event had been planned long before Bush took office. Them’s the breaks.

At any rate, Big Hollywood will lead the other loudmouth conservatives like Ann Coulter to take a bite out of this truly lame parallel and use it as some sort of blame game — Obama is already being accused of security leaks around the film, Bigelow and Mark Boal are already feeling the pressure. Why? It’s all about the crybabies on the right. Because this is how the game of politics is played.

The author, John Nolte, is being deliberately sarcastic but not really:

Moreover, an excuse Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will not be able to use in the case of “Zero Dark Thirty” (as she did with “Innocence of Muslims”) is the cowardly and self-righteous claim that the federal government and the Obama White House had nothing to do with “Zero Dark Thirty.”

Because the federal government and the Obama White House had everything to do with “Zero Dark Thirty.”

As we now know, in an effort to get this glitzy in-kind contribution (tens of millions of dollars) up on the screen in time to affect the election, it was the Obama Administration that gave the filmmakers tons of encouragement and a troubling amount of access to all kinds of classified material.

But this very same Obama Administration has since learned that it wasn’t the Obama Doctrine of disengaging with the Middle East and embracing the Muslim Brotherhood that caused all this mayhem and murder last week. It was a movie.

This means that the only responsible thing for the Obama Administration to do is to get proactive and, in the interest of national security and to help ensure the safety of Americans overseas, put as much pressure as they can on Sony to stop the distribution of “Zero Dark Thirty.”

After all, this is what the Administration did to YouTube to stop the distribution of “The Innocence of Muslims.”

And I’m certain no one in Hollywood would be alarmed if the government were to pressure Sony not to release its film. Why would they if they won’t stand up for the “Innocence of Muslims” filmmaker being persecuted by our government and media overlords today?

You know, because movies create terrorism.

71 Comments on this Post

  1. The only real crime of this film is its title. Then again, The Shawshank Redemption is #1 on the IMDB Voters’ List.

    But seriously, religion causes nothing but trouble and will hopefully become extinct within my lifetime. On an unrelated note, I cannot wait to see The Master next weekend!

  2. I’m not sure the backlash would be in the same league if the situation were the other way around like you suggested. The Onion satirized this recently: (NSFW and offensive) http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image,29553/

  3. I agree Mark. While the movie is offensive and stupid, no one deserved to die because of it. The Islamic world needs to learn to take offense more gracefully.

  4. Can’t wait for the election to be over.

  5. Unlikely hood

    I think you know I usually agree with you Sasha. But this article is sarcasm. He doesn’t want Sony pressured by the White House. He *does* want to score cheap points by pointing out what he thinks is Hwood and WH hypocrisy. Sadly for him, his premise is ridiculous, because Obama was the first to suggest that the attacks looked pre-planned and not like reactions to the video.

    Idiots like this writer feed into a paranoid, obama-uses-the-bill-of-rights-as-toilet-paper narrative that is way to the right of even Romney, who has now also called the video despicable and all that – sounds like we’re all “apologists” now ( by Romney’s standards) except for writers like this numbnut.

    IMHO, I think you’re over-reacting to him. No one takes his points about hypocrisy seriously except Birchers and birthers. He influences Zero with his Dark Dirty thoughts.

  6. If there’s a God (but there isn’t, really), I hope he kills all religious fanatics as an example.

    Then again, that would only create more religious fanatics.

  7. I would really like to see all religion and politics flushed back into the sewers where they belong. One was supposed to provide comfort and the other security, but it has become one pack of liars using the other to the betterment of nobody. We’d all be better off with neither.

    Our only hope is that the Mayans were correct and we’ll only have to listen to this stuff for a couple more months.

  8. Tero Heikkinen

    “Can’t wait for the election to be over.”

    Election = Religion.

    I think we are some 2 billion atheists in the world. Should we just start killing believers or at least put them on a CONCENTRATION CAMP? They killed tens of millions of us for hundreds of years. We can FIGHT back. We have to act together. I am game.

  9. Well at least you guys talked about other movie stuff before getting political again with this post.

  10. manrico1967

    I am 100% liberal, and cannot stand assholes like Coulter and Co.

    But in fairness, you don’t see Christians rioting and burning buildings because of a movie.

    Remember THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST? As far as I know, no one put a price on Scorsese’s head, like with Salman Rushdie. There were protests, but they had all the right in the world to do that.

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    But in fairness, you don’t see Christians rioting and burning buildings because of a movie.

    In all fairness, George W Bush is a Christian. Condoleeza Rice is a Christian. They bombed and burned hundreds of thousands of building to the ground in Iraq. They sent invaders to wreck havoc and destruction and they’re responsible for the slaughter of 400,000 Iraqis — women and children murdered and maimed.

    That’s one thing some Christians did.

    Admittedly it wasn’t over a movie. It was over “WMDs” — that didn’t exist.

    All that bombing and burning and destruction and killing carried out for 10 years? It’s mostly Christians who did that.

    Bush and his Christians had even less reason than a movie. They did it because of a lie they made up as an excuse. When’s the last time hot-headed Muslim anger resulted in the senseless murder of 400,000 Christians?

    Lucky for us there’s no Muslim cowboy who has 2 trillion dollars to blow on killing Christians.

  12. John nolte believes the dark knight movie was a thank you letter to George bush ii for attacking Iraq. LOL

    I never bought the zero dark thirty being made to affect the elections, because they never shot for a pre-election day release date. Inconvenient fact.

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    …you don’t see Christians rioting and burning buildings because of a movie.

    Missouri mosque destroyed in second fire in a month
    August 06, 2012 | By the CNN Wire Staff

    A mosque in Joplin, Missouri, was burned to the ground early Monday, just over a month after an attempted arson at the Islamic center, officials said.

    Authorities are investigating the cause of the latest fire. The mosque’s security cameras were destroyed in the blaze, according to Sharon Rhine of the Jasper County Sheriff’s Office.

    “This incident should not stop us from worshiping our God,” one member of the Islamic Society of Joplin told CNN affiliate KYTV. “We are going to find a place probably to continue our service to God.”

    What do you want to bet the people who burned that Mosque to the ground weren’t atheists or Jewish?

    A lot of Christians don’t wait around for a movie to get pissed off about religion? Many Christians are so hyper-sensitive, they stay murderously furious about religion all the time.

    Maybe you heard the news last month about the Christian who went on rampage at a Sikh temple? He didn’t go on a rampage at WalMart. He murdered people in a temple where they made the mistake of not worshipping Jesus.

    I’m pretty sick of hearing how Christians never get violent when somebody hurts their feelings about religion.

    The massacre in Norway last year? 90 people dead, and the headlines read: “Christian Extremist Suspect”

  14. Duck Soup

    Sigh.

    Sasha, there are tons of videos that mock the Christian faith. A lot of them are made by Islamists. All you have to do is look. Google. Youtube. Take your pick.

    I don’t remember many Christians killing people over those videos, but I am sure Ryan will find articles where Christians are suspected to be the violators (instead of, you know, having actual evidence it was).

    I am deeply offended by Ryan’s use of “many”. Ryan, how many Christians are out there in the world? Now compare that number to how many of these incidents happen a year. Seems pretty miniscule, doesn’t it? “Few” would be a better word.

    Also, Ryan – it wasn’t just Bush and Rice. It was the congress. Our country isn’t ran by the Bible. It’s ran by many different people of different religions or non-religions.

    The hate for religion on this website is thoroughly baffling. I say this as a pretty extreme liberal Democrat too that will probably be voting for Obama, if I vote at all.

  15. Duck Soup

    The whole point is that for every violent Christian/Muslim person you can find, I can find you 10 non-violent Christian/Muslim person. I have never seen a Bible or a Koran sprout arms and choke a person to death, therefore I don’t believe that religion is violent, but people are violent. If we are to take the scientific approach to it, we are all just animals struggling to justify our insanity or deep hatred (oops, sorry for repeating myself) enough to murder other people out of it. People try (and fail) to use books and videos to kill people and then we call for the ban of said books and videos. No. Humans will never find peace. Ever. Hatred, violence, and death will always exist regardless of whether or not religion exists.

    Every war has been fought over money, land, or power. Not religion.

  16. Tero Heikkinen

    Point is, the world would be a lot better, friendlier and safer place without ANY religions. Christians have done so much bad things to me, and I live in a fucking paradise (that is called Northern Europe).

  17. Tero Heikkinen

    Just to add. Muslims have done nothing bad to me, Christians have.

  18. Religious ideology is like any ideology in the hands of thugs. To pretend it’s about religion is to overlook both history and the personal responsibility of those who perpetrate evil. It’s also a way for people who aren’t religious to say “I’m not like this person because of ____”. The fact is some of the nicest people I know live by ideology that I find (and I apologize to those easily offended because of their literal interpretation of language) completely retarded.

    As for the article in general, what the hell are you talking about, Sasha? I’m not real clear on what you’re driving at? How is this news? Are they burying the movie or are you just responding blindly to some blogger who may or may not be sarcastic? I’m genuinely confused about the thesis/point of what you are writing here other than the fact that you seem to have thrown in a bunch of inflammatory phrases that have drawn some rather confused responses, imo.

  19. Tero,

    The 20th century was largely driven by non-religious ideologies. It did not make the world a better place.

    People treat people badly. Ideologies are just the window dressing people use to justify or deny each other’s humanity.

  20. What infuriates me most, is that most governments are condemning the Innocence of Muslim film as if the “film” is the route cause of the violent protests igniting all over the world.

    Do you think the Muslim world is so dumb as to think the “film” was made and endorsed by the collective western world? Apologizing on behalf of the western world for a film that most sane people people think is garbage is a mistake and is not dealing with the issues.

    Extremist groups perpetrating the violence and rallying the Muslim community under false presences do not represent the Muslim community. Thinking they do is a mistake.

    Invading a country looking for one man, forcing the country’s military to respond and putting ordinary people’s lives at risk is a mistake.

    Watching The Iron Lady a second time to see if you may have overlooked something is also a mistake.

  21. I think most of you know that 9/11 was false flag to attack to East.
    I dont know when people will learn to live in peace with or without religions maybe never but this fucking director (maybe mascott of Illuminati) really works for non-Islamic government and his aim is simply to create a conflict between religions.
    I dont know whether actors are right or not, they say director lied them.

  22. There are many false flags mecid. The East is pissed. The West is pissed. But we’re misplacing our anger and missing our targets. At the end of the day, the people loose. As a person I have zero enemies, but the news is telling me I have billions of them. Don’t believe this shit.

  23. America was founded so people could have freedom FOR religion and Islam is a cancer, deal with it.

  24. “Islam is a cancer, deal with it.”

    If it wasn’t for Islam, the West would have remained in the Dark Ages. Not only did they bring culture and science to Europe, they preserved much of what our lovely barbarian ancestors were bent on destroying – in the name of religion.

    Extremism on all sides has stoked the fire while the media, both social and corporate, fan the flames. Moronic political factions get involved and I don’t think there is an any way to get it under control.

    As a result, our species is turning into the “cancer” you refer to, and Moses, Jesus and Mohammed would be ashamed of the entire lot.

  25. @ Dexter

    Man is man whether he is christian, muslim, jew, buddhist or other. But main problem is to pretend my religion is stronger than yours. All this religions based on one source, to accept God in different forms. Before Jewism, Christianity and Islam there were Sumerian, Mesopotamian religions. When you dig these religions you can find a lot of similar legends to Moses’, Jesus’ and so on. Just don’t judge people according their religions.

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    Just to add. Muslims have done nothing bad to me, Christians have.

    That’s my situation too. Though I’m aware of the fact that it’s mainly because I’m surrounded by fundamentalist Christians. Also aware I’d be in a worse situation were I to be surrounded by fundamentalist Muslims.

    What I wrote last night was only intended as a reminder that right-wing Christians in America are a dangerous lot, and just because they don’t the riot in the streets doesn’t mean many of them are not hell-bent on killing.

    American right-wing fundamentalist zealots just happen to have access to warships instead of invading by climbing embassy walls.

    All this “oh look how horrible! The Muslims have killed an American and burned an American building!”

    It’s a stunner alright. We’re a lot more accustomed to Americans killing Muslims and burning their buildings — as Americans
    have been doing Every Single Day in the Middle East for the past 10 years.

    It’s all horrible. The right-wing fundamentalist Christian murder tally is far higher over the past decade than number of people killed by militant fundamentalist Muslims. By a factor of roughly 100x

  27. Profile photo of Ryan Adams

    I am sure Ryan will find articles where Christians are suspected to be the violators (instead of, you know, having actual evidence it was).

    A mosque in Missouri is burned down, I don’t waste time suspecting Missouri Buddhists.

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    I am deeply offended by Ryan’s use of “many”.

    Go on. be offended. I didn’t write “many” by accident.

    A lot of Christians don’t wait around for a movie to get pissed off about religion? Many Christians are so hyper-sensitive, they stay murderously furious about religion all the time.

    That’s what I wrote. I didn’t say a ‘large percentage.’ I said ‘many.’ Do you not think there are thousands of Christians who would say, “Nuke the whole country of Iran and be done with it”? — I sincerely believe there might be a million Americans who feel that way.

    A million is many.

  29. Profile photo of Ryan Adams

    “Our country isn’t ran by the Bible. It’s ran by many different people of different religions or non-religions.”

    535 Members of Congress

    0 Atheists
    1 Muslim
    2 Buddhists
    13 Jews in the Senate (all Democrats)
    30 Jews in the House (29 are Democrats
    489 Christians in both houses of Congress

    The Senate is 87% Christian.
    Among the 289 Republicans in the Senate and House of Representatives, 288 are Christian.
    Republicans who “run the country” are 99.7 % Christian.

    *(….”non-religions”? Nope. Nobody who practices non-religion is elected to Congress).

  30. Profile photo of Ryan Adams

    The whole point is that for every violent Christian/Muslim person you can find, I can find you 10 non-violent Christian/Muslim person

    I totally agree. I hope and believe the ratio is much higher than 10:1. I like to believe it’s 1000:1

    So, of 250 million Christians in America, probably only 250,000 of them would wish me harm as gay person. That’s comforting.

  31. I believe Hollywood’s silence concerning the individual who made that video depicting Muhammad speaks volumes. Just like other apologists, including our President, they live in fear of Islam. Now, I don’t expect these people to admit that, but it is what it is. Human beings kill each other over nonsensical issues since the dawn of Man. So arguing about whether Christians or Muslims cause more mayhem is annoying. I’ll be fair though. The Bible, particularly the words of Jesus of Nazareth, never condones killing your brother. The Koran legitimizes it. So when self-labeled Christians commit murder, they are directly violating the words of Christ. When Muslims commit murder in the name of scripture, they are doing the will of Allah.

    I’m not trying to inflame anyone on here. And I know several of you will come to the defense of the “oppressed” minority. But you have to face facts: Muslims’ reactions to this film should not surprise anyone. A lot of it has to do with the violent culture these people live in. I mean, you don’t really see American citizens, who happen to be followers of Islam, rioting in the streets currently.

    My conclusion is pretty simple: if you are going to have this debate, being intellectually honest is crucial. Reading the Bible and the Koran boosts anyone’s argument. And many of you sadly have probably never taken the time to read them.

  32. Profile photo of Ryan Adams

    Just like other apologists, including our President, they live in fear of Islam.

    This is bullshit. An otherwise somewhat reasonable comment ruined with a dumb talking-point partisan hate-fart.

    This “apologist” you;re talking about has been in charge while US forces hunted down and killed more Al-Qaeda than that coward Bush was even ever able to locate, much less exterminate.

  33. So what do we think about the awards chances of “Innocence of Muslims”? Golden Globe Comedy/Musical? Seems about right

  34. @ Ryan Adams

    With all due respect, you are wrong. One of the first things out of President Obama’s mouth was apologizing. Remember, our embassies were attacked first. The administration knew about it three days in advance. Apologizing for someone exercising their free speech rights is alarming, especially coming from an individual who has made an oath to the Constitution. And Republicans do the same thing. One of President Bush’s biggest mistake was using the label “religion of peace” when referring to Islam. The ideology’s history says otherwise, so does its scripture.

    I’m not suggesting that all Muslims are crazed. I’ve interacted with Muslims in the United States for years and never had any problems personally. But sticking your head in the sand concerning this issue, and blaming Big Hollywood for “partisan attacks” is pointless. Speaking of partisanship, I find it hypocritical Ryan that you get upset with one true statement I make, yet this entire article is dripping with wide-eyed, one-sided stances. Which I don’t have a problem with, but I’m just saying…

  35. Someone should make a movie like THE HANGOVER but with Jesus and Mohammed on a road trip.

    I just wish I had some money so I could go see LAWLESS again. *sigh* But I have to save my pennies because there’s a bunch of movies coming out soon.

  36. Profile photo of Ryan Adams

    The Bible, particularly the words of Jesus of Nazareth, never condones killing your brother.

    Unless your brother is your sister and commits adulterly. Then the Bible says she is to be stoned to death.

    “If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.” (Leviticus 20:10)

    Leviticus is really worried about who’s allowed to play with whose genitalia. Because, “Oh no! You touched the wrong dick! You must die now!”

    Also, for Christ’s sake, don’t take the Lord’s name in vain.

    “Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him. The sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.” (Leviticus 24:16)

    Luckily I didn’t have to read the whole goddamned Bible to find that. I just googled it.

    I’m sure nobody ever actually got hurt or killed over stupid commands in the Bible like that. Nah, no way.

    “Whoever curses his father or his mother shall be put to death.” Exodus 21:17

    Die now, you rotten kid. We’re gonna execute your cussing back-talking butt. The Bible says we have to.

    The Bible. Never once used to justify the beatings of smart-alecky children.

    Of course, most smart civilized human beings ignore all that nonsense.

    Except the verse or two about homosexuality. That’s the one thing straight Christians can’t abide. Adultery? phffft, how are you gonna execute all the Christian adulterers and still have any congregation left?

  37. Profile photo of Ryan Adams

    “With all due respect, you are wrong. One of the first things out of President Obama’s mouth was apologizing. “

    Liar. Where’s the quote? Quote it.

    Apologizing for someone exercising their free speech rights is alarming, especially coming from an individual who has made an oath to the Constitution.

    Liar. Nobody apologized for that disgusting movie. Here’s the Embassy statement.

    “The Embassy of the United States condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims — as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions.”

    That’s not an apology. That’s a condemnation of something ugly.

    The Embassy condemns a filthy film intended to inflame hate. We all should. Anyone who doesn’t is repulsive.

    Mitt Romney sees the Embassy plea for basic human kindness and calls it “disgraceful.”
    Your GOP candidate, Mitt Romney, defending hate speech. Nice.

  38. @Ryan Adam

    I don’t know what it is about this particular topic, but it never fails to see a behavioral pattern. Ryan, I guess I should have been more specific. I wasn’t talking about the Old Testament. The New Testament and Jesus Christ never condone murdering your neighbor. But in typical fashion, you trot out the old Leviticus argument. Which happens to be in the Old Testament. All the snark in the world isn’t going to help puff up your opinion. Have you ever thought that the “putting to death” that Leviticus refers to individuals being judged harshly by the Almighty? Does that even occur to you?

    I know I’m beating a dead horse here. I’ve read quite a bit of your arguments with other commenters in the past. You are set in your ways. You have every right to be this way and express it. I just find some of your responses woefully ignorant on an intellectual level. I’m not trying to be crass Ryan. I admire your passion.

  39. @ Ryan Adams

    This is going to be my last comment, because I can tell you are getting fairly angry.

    “The Embassy condemns a filthy film intended to inflame hate. We all should. Anyone who doesn’t is repulsive.
    Mitt Romney calls the Embassy statement “disgraceful”
    Your GOP candidate, Mitt Romney, defending hate speech. Nice.”

    Let’s get something straight. “Hate speech” is not against the law. Not in the United States. The First Amendment protects this.

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    I wasn’t talking about the Old Testament.

    Then you’re not talking about the Bible. If you want to dig up 5 awful verses from the Quran that are absolutely contradicted elsewhere in the Quran, then I get to do the same thing with the Bible. That’s how this stupid game is played.

    Two stupid contradictory books that have caused countless millions of people to suffer needlessly.

    It’s not just Leviticus and you know it. The Bible is packed with explicit instructions about how and when to kill wrongdoers.

    Have you ever thought that the “putting to death” that Leviticus refers to individuals being judged harshly by the Almighty?

    ahh… I get it. So it’s GOD who gets to punish the parent-direspecters. God puts them to death!

    The same way God Brings Death to Everybody Who’s Ever Been Born?

    How the fuck do we STOP God from killing us? He’s gonna kill every last one of us. That asshole.

  41. “The Embassy of the United States condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims — as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions.”

    I wonder if that goes for Scientologists and Mormons too. They must have religious feelings.

    I gotta watch this anti-Muslim movie. Where is it?

  42. Profile photo of Ryan Adams

    I gotta watch this anti-Muslim movie. Where is it?

    Nobody is sure it even exists as a full-length movie. There’s a “trailer” that’s 14 minutes long, but that might be the whole thing.

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    I wonder if that goes for Scientologists and Mormons too. They must have religious feelings.

    I’ve never said anything about Scientologists and Mormons that wasn’t true.

    Talking about (and snickering about) the strange true publicly proclaimed beliefs of some religions is different than movie that shows Jesus or Muhammad or Joseph Smith being a pedophile or trying to seduce a donkey into homosexual sex.

    Although at least two of Joseph Smith’s 27 wives were 14 years old, so that’s pushing the edge of the envelope.

    Besides, I never claimed to have the right temperament to become Ambassador to Libya.

  44. unlikely hood

    Johan you seem like a bright guy. Let’s say you became President of these United States. What exactly would be your instructions to your 200 embassies around the world? (And believe you me, these would have to be written.)

    You: “Don’t apologize.”

    Embassies: “Okay, we won’t say sorry.”

    You: “No, it’s more than that. Don’t condemn any expression of free speech.”

    Embassies: “So, if Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad pops off at the mouth and I’m with someone who hates them, I’m not allowed to say ‘we condemn the hateful rhetoric of Mr. Ahmadinejad and reject his characterizing Israel as a butt-stain’ or something?”

    You: “That’s right.”

    Embassies: “Er…ok. What else am I not allowed to condemn?”

    You: “Here’s your list…”

    …?…

  45. Profile photo of Ryan Adams

    Let’s get something straight. “Hate speech” is not against the law.

    And condemning hate speech is not “disgraceful.”

    The only way to combat hate speech is to denounce it. Romney said it’s “disgraceful” to denounce it.

    Same thing with his taxes. “Hey, it’s not illegal! It’s not illegal to hide all my money in Swiss Banks to avoid taxes!”

    hate speech: legal
    tax avoidance: legal

    Mitt Romney: If it’s legal I’m gonna exploit the hell out of it!

  46. ” “Hate speech” is not against the law. Not in the United States. The First Amendment protects this.”

    Seriously? No limits on verbal abuse and slander? Oh, I see, only when it costs money, as in libel.

    Well, you get what you ask for and it works both ways.

  47. @Ryan

    I am not religious, nor am I conservative (figure I should add these qualifiers since I know you’ll label me as one of those), but isolated incidents in America are not the same as mass uprisings through multiple countries.

    The fact of the matter is Muslim extemists are extemely touchy about their fictitious prophet. They protest, riot, and kill if he is insulted. The Christian prophet is “insulted” nearly every day on television via all manner of parody, spoof, or what have you. Do you see Christians rioting, killing, or attempting to kill in mass quantities?

    No. Why? It’s simple…these extremists live in the third world. They’re uneducated. Why else would they react so strongly and chant “death to America” because of a nothing movie made by a group of xenophobic Americans? To any educated person, it’s completely illogical.

  48. I’m really in over this.

    So under the first amendment, hate speech is allowed, which is backed up by the second amendment.

    Christ, now this list makes sense:
    http://www.tiptoptens.com/2012/02/12/worlds-10-most-dangerous-countries-in-2012/

    and this one:
    http://www.tiptoptens.com/2012/02/07/best-countries-to-live-2012/

    Guess Canada got knocked off the list because of the neighborhood.

  49. Ryan, I used to think you were a fellow Angeleno partying it up with Sasha at premieres but from some of your postings I’ve learned you live in a red state. Do you mind telling which one? Just curious.

  50. Profile photo of Ryan Adams

    Scott, Born in Owensboro Kentucky, lived right around the corner from the house where Johnny Depp grew up — within a 1200 feet or so.

    Stayed in LA two summers in a row after college. They asked me to leave because I was a bad influence on West Hollywood.

    Lived in Bangkok for 7 years. Back in my hometown now. Covert counter-espionage assignment. Behind Enemy Lines. shh.

    I have to blurt out Johnny Depp’s name every time I say I’m from Kentucky to remind people (including myself) that cool people have been born here. Abraham Lincoln. DW Griffith. Jennifer Lawrence.

  51. unlikely hood

    Henry Clay. Born before Kentucky was a state, but still the greatest Kentuckian that ever was. If this history fad keeps up, the perfect person to play him would be Kevin Bacon (perhaps in a film about the Great Triumvirate and the Mexican War and the 1850 Compromise). Would be nice to see Bacon get that first oscar nod.

  52. I would think it would be too cheap to bring up the whole “if the shoe were on the other foot” thing, but since you mention it, that scenario doesn’t have to be imagined. One thing to note about “The Innocence of Muslims” is that it is horrible, horrible filmmaking, that the circumstances surrounding its origin are suspect, and that it is incredibly tame in terms of mocking religion in comparison to many other examples. I shouldn’t leave off The Last Temptation of Christ, although I realize in this instance Scorsese certainly didn’t intend offense of blasphemy, but many Christians believe it was, which should be the criterion if we are comparing situations to one another. But moving on from there, let us limit to intention of offense. How about Dogma and the depiction of God. Were there violent riots about that, perhaps peaceful protests, boycotts, but nothing like what is going on now. Then Kevin Smith, in Red State can only imagine and fabricate the response that doesn’t exist amongst Conservative Christians. Look at Hamlet 2, that’s a pretty obvious parallel. A depiction of Jesus in an incredibly blatant way, intending certainly to offend for the sake of humor. South Park. I mean, in what manner is Jesus depicted in South Park. The examples go on and on and on. Paul Verhoeven is planning a movie about Jesus that will be met with perhaps outrage and boycotts, but an equivalent response will not be seen. The point is, if you bring it up, it is not difficult to show how Christians and other religions do not react similarly. Oh yeah, there is also the Mormom example. “the Book of Mormon”, I mean try and flip that around another way, and I mean, wow. I remember they Mormon church made some kind of response like “The musical will give you a night of enjoyment but the real book of Mormon will change your life forever”. Cheesy maybe, but compare that to what’s going on… I am myself what could certainly be described as a “Conservative Christian” whose “values” Rahm Emmanuel might refer to as “not Chicago’s”. I haven’t been to Chicago, but I would love to go, and I’m sure I would love it… I don’t know why he has to take an orthodox, historical Christian view and entirely reject it, even claiming the city is rejecting those with that view… but I would say that as a Christian, while I do not think being offended easily is good, I believe it right to be offended as mocking of Jesus, but that offense for myself and other Conservative Christians is always to react in a way that is peaceful and self sacrificing. Christianity is based upon the belief in Jesus as dying for those who mocked and rejected him and it is the appropriate response of Christians to take the same type of response through responding in love to whatever type of offense is shown.

  53. Kentucky! Wow. Thanks for getting back to me Ryan. I know about the red. I’m in LA but my family all lives in Texas and it’s a different perspective for sure.

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    The point is, if you bring it up, it is not difficult to show how Christians and other religions do not react similarly.

    So? What’s your solution, Matt. Just make everybody on Earth abide by the same easy-going standards we have in the Western World?

    How are you going to enforce that? Just tell them to get over it? Tell them all about South Park and Kevin Smith.

    hen they’ll be like, “ah, yes… Cartman! Please tell us more of this Cartman so that we may be enlightened about how not to take things so seriously.”

    I’m sure all they need is just see how we do things here in America and they’ll soon settle down.

    Before long teenage Muslim girls will be wearing bikini tops to shop at the mall. Their fathers will learn to shrug it off. The way Christians do.

    Why can’t Muslim men understand that? All they need to do is loosen up, right?

    Hey Muslim Dude, it’s only your daughter’s nipples we want to see. You see our daughter’s nipples! Why can’t we see yours?

    Respect, Matt. It’s called having respect for someone else’s cultural sensitivities. Whether it makes any sense to you or not.

    My mother can’t bear to watch a movie with too many F-words. It actually upsets her and unnerves her. She would get her feelings hurt if I took her to see a movie like Shame. (I’m not kidding, she might even try to kill me.) So I know not to trample on her sensitivities.

    And I don’t look down on my mother for being so easily offended. I have to live on this planet with her. I try to accommodate her feelings and TRY TO AVOID doing things that I’M CERTAIN WILL OFFEND HER.

    Why is that hard for a Christian to understand?

  55. Oh yeah, this is why I’m a misanthrope.

  56. Let’s hope no one gets a photo of Paul Thomas Anderson eating at Chik-Fil-A before Oscar ballots are due.

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    Scott,

    It’s remote. But it’s not Appalachia. I’m in the western corner of the state so we have more in common here with Indiana and Illinois that we do with West Virgina or North Carolina.

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    Easy enough to insulate him from Red State influence.
    He only knows about progressive magazines.
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  58. ” these extremists live in the third world. They’re uneducated ”

    Yes, most of them are uneducated young people.
    But ignorance exists in advanced world,too. Remember globally infamous George Bush’s “Crusade” statement? Even in my country, Crusade is known as massive killing, rape, plunder by Christians from uncivilized Europa. Romney hired Bush’s foreign policy advisers?
    Enough is enough.

  59. Jesse Crall

    TAJI!

    -And Kentucky’s also the home of the Louisville Slugger, producer of the sweetest sounds of my childhood and Shelley Duvall’s weapon of choice in The Shining (Carl Yastrzemski model).

    Which is my way of saying I got nothing to add to the conversation :/

  60. When did this site become more about politics than about movies? It’s exhausting. I know it’s a blog and you can say whatever you want, but if you’re going to lace every other post with strong expressions of your political views, then stop masquerading as an awards site. It’s misleading to those who are actually just looking for news and thoughtful commentary related to award-worthy film.

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    It’s misleading to those who are actually just looking for news and thoughtful commentary related to award-worthy film.

    When there’s noise surrounding an important contender, part of the coverage includes addressing the noise.

    Barnacles stick to the boat unless they’re cleaned off. It’s not a masquerade. It’s the opposite of a masquerade. It’s unmasking bullshit attacks.

  62. Johan wrote: “The New Testament and Jesus Christ never condone murdering your neighbor. But in typical fashion, you trot out the old Leviticus argument. Which happens to be in the Old Testament.”

    But of course, most Christians are monotheistic. One god. The Old Testament god, Jesus and that thing called “The Holy Spirit” are all one god. So yes, Ryan is perfectly right to bring up the deplorable and evil instructions from the one Christian god – regardless if it is from the Old Testament. Frankly, it is absurd how some Christian apologists think they can whitewash the horrible behavior of their OT god with Jesus, when that OT god was essentially Jesus – because there is only one god! Unless you want to now claim that Christians are polytheistic, and the OT god and Jesus are completed different entities!?

  63. enderrose

    The problem is in this very turbulent time , is do we really need another propaganda pro-war film? America is already been beating the drums of Patriotism more loudly than the world can stomach, and we now war raising a generation that will be idolizing war for all the wrong reasons;just as the same generation who went off to countless death and slaughter just because the Duke said it was the right manly thing to do. I just don’t think this is what America needs after a long and scary cold war has come to an end ,or to continue the ideology of American imperialism up there on the big screen for young men and women to make the mistaken idea that war is okay …as Robert E Lee said about it was good that war is such a horrible and terrible thing , for if not men might grow way too fond of it. You need to ask yourself are we growing too fond of it?

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