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The Golden Globes – The Tragic and the Sublime

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The Golden Globes, like the Critics Choice,  had their ballots turned in before the Oscar nominations.  That meant that they reflected the moment just before the buzz shifted.  Argo won big at the Critics Choice and it won big at the Globes, taking Best Picture Drama and Best Director. But Les Miserables actually won the most Golden Globes. Imagine, if you will, outstanding Oscar ballots today.  If Oscar ballots had been turned in after the DGA and after the Globes, there’s a good chance that, at the very least, Ben Affleck and Tom Hooper would have been nominated for Best Director. Such is one of the many odd twists and turns of this race.

It’s probably fairly likely that Argo could have built up momentum from this moment in time that might have carried it through to the Oscar win. Come to that, Argo might still win in a total freak show year never before seen in Oscar history; even Driving Miss Daisy had the distinction of A) having no DGA nor Oscar nor Globe nomination for Director and B) was placed in the comedy category.  Argo is only missing the Oscar nomination for Director. It’s entirely possible that film can be the one that defies history in this very strange year.

On the other hand, the Globes have been oddly off in their predictions of Oscar — the only films since 2002 that have gone on to win the Oscar have been Chicago, Slumdog Millionaire, Return of the King and the Artist. Two in Musical/Comedy, two in drama.  All of them had nominations in the director categories at the Globes, the DGA and the Oscar.  So we throw up our hands yet again.

But the highlights of the evening were scattered throughout.  My Top Ten:

1. Bill Clinton as the surprise guest to introduce what he called “Steven Spielberg’s extraordinary Lincoln.” No matter what happens with Lincoln this year, no matter how many fanboys diss it, no matter how unpopular it is with Hollywood types, it has that. Lincoln has woven itself into the political pulse of our land. And yes, most people don’t really give a damn about that. Love and a bit with a dog, that’s what the people want. But it’s been to the White House, into the Senate and how, has been introduced by Bill Clinton. Even if it never wins a single award, it has secured its place in history.   One of my own goals this year, and every year for the rest of my life is to not let the awards race ruin the films that I believe to be great. At the top of that list for 2012 is Lincoln. Every curated frame of this film is the work of masters. Somehow President Clinton reminded me of the importance of the film, of President Lincoln and the power of storytelling.

2. Jodie Foster’s humane, entertaining, electrifying speech as she received the Cecil B. DeMille award.  It may have been among the finest speeches ever delivered on a showbiz awards show. She talked about her work, her family, those she holds most dear — she talked about privacy, about the shifting times, and about her love life, in a funny, indirect way.  Foster is one of the true blues, brilliant, honest and funny.  She brought down the house and everyone to tears.  After that speech, any petty thought I had about the awards up to then and the awards to follow vanished; we must never forget the bigger picture and we must never forget how little these awards really matter.  The films, the art is the thing. The people, their words and their work are the thing. The rest is just a dog and pony show.

3. Anne Hathaway taking time out of her speech to acknowledge Sally Field. This was an important moment, I thought, in the ongoing narrative of the awards race. One of the more interesting moments early in the race happened when Field and Hathaway joined other actresses to have what turned out to be quite a meaningful roundtable discussion last November.  It seemed to me that Hathaway was listening to Field then, and that made her want to point out how important are the actresses who came before her.  I found it to be a gracious gesture on a night when such gestures were rare.

4. Jessica Chastain paying tribute to Kathryn Bigelow for having the courage to bring Maya to the big screen.  Sadly, even after calling this the Year of the Woman, the HFPA once again shut Bigelow out of their top awards. Partly because, let’s face it, they love George Clooney and Ben Affleck (who doesn’t) but also, they don’t tend to like dark films.  That they loved The Social Network remains an enduring mystery.  But Chastain took the opportunity to talk about Bigelow, which again, was a gracious thing to do.

5. Tina Fey and Amy Poehler didn’t pull any punches. Their jokes were scathing at times but they wielded the spears gracefully. Always funny and better than any Globes host I can remember in recent history.  The best joke of the night was in reference to torture and Bigelow and having been married to James Cameron.

6. Jennifer Garner thanking Grant Heslov and George Clooney after husband Ben Affleck neglected to mention them, which was sweet and funny.

7. Daniel Day-Lewis.

8. Bill Clinton. Oh, did I already say Bill Clinton?

9. Hugh Jackman winning. I may not be the biggest fan of Les Miserables but his work in the film is notable.  It seemed to have been the part he was born to play and it was nice to see him get recognition.

10. Quentin Tarantino and Christoph Waltz winning for Django Unchained.  The original screenplay win for Tarantino probably bodes well for his chances at the Oscar — and now he might finally beat Mark Boal who bested him 3 years ago. Although they both have to face down Michael Haneke, which means there’s a chance they both could lose. Christoph Waltz is brilliant and debonair. Always. He gives great speeches too, but he’s won too recently I think to become the frontrunner again on Oscar night.

Jennifer Lawrence was charming, even though she admitted to being under the weather, and Life of Pi had to settle with award for Mychael Danna’s Original Score. Good thing Ang Lee is so zen.  It’s worth remembering that tonight was just a party where they hand out statues. The 100-odd members of the Hollywood Foreign Press pick what they like, like everyone else. It is nothing more or less than that. The Argo team has a moment in the spotlight, a well deserved one at that.  And the race continues to roll forward, destination totally unknown.  We should enjoy the unpredictability — we never know when it will return to the same old dance.

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  1. PaulH
    January 13, 2013

    Didn’t know about the Fey/Poehler slam on Cameron. Dirty pool, ladies. Maybe that’s why your shows languish in the bottom half of the Nielsens for, say, forever and a day.

  2. REIChdome BACK with Avengeance
    January 13, 2013

    What damn tragic is how unjustified a unpredictable freakish yr is. Lincoln all the way globes have only discredited themselves in publiceye further.

  3. acher
    January 13, 2013

    What a great GG – the hosts were so good and I thought all of the winners were deserving. I’m most of all glad that each movie came away with at least 1 award!

  4. Antoinette
    January 13, 2013

    This was my favorite part: http://twitpic.com/bv0dhy/full

  5. Gentle Benj
    January 13, 2013

    Foster’s bitchslap of the tabloid sexual expose culture will live in legend. Brilliant beyond words.

    “Didn’t know about the Fey/Poehler slam on Cameron. Dirty pool, ladies. Maybe that’s why your shows languish in the bottom half of the Nielsens for, say, forever and a day.”

    Hahaha. It was a funny bit because it was true. He’s a douche whose success knows know bounds because he knows how to appeal to the douche in the moviegoing public. Cope.

    “Love and a bit with a dog”

    Speaking of cope.

    “has been introduced by Bill Clinton”

    A movie about Lincoln gains something by being introduced by Clinton? Seems like a step down to me. If they weren’t going to spring for it, this backwoods huckster won’t sway them.

    Anne Hathaway’s heartfelt recognition of Field was probably second to Foster’s speech on my list of great moments of the night.

    And lastly:

    I don’t know why this too me so long…

    And this isn’t meant to take anything away from Zeitlin and Haneke…

    But I have arrived at the conclusion that the directors of AMPAS punished Bigelow and Affleck for believing in the USA’s covert operations.

    And I think they would have done so whenever the calendar fell.

  6. BEC
    January 13, 2013

    I would include Adele’s speech in my top 10. The anti-Hollywood phony “I’m so suprised I won but let me just dig out this double-sided four page speech I prepared just in case”. It was great to see someone not take it too seriously – plus she got to high five Daniel Craig!

  7. Jesse Crall
    January 13, 2013

    Outside of sticking QT’s HILARIOUS spit take in the #2 slot, I’d roll with this list all the way. Fey and the Poehler Bear killed it from moment one, Jodie & D-Day’s speeches were brilliant, and a Bill Clinton appearance is always welcome. Good show.

  8. Jim
    January 13, 2013

    I don’t know why anyone is saying that the Globes discredited themselves. Argo carries the critics director and picture…if Oscar ballots were not cast already we would all be talking how Argo is gaining momentum. Going to get interesting!

  9. gbocampo
    January 13, 2013

    Zeta Jones singing a line from “I Dream a Dream” is the best moment for me.haha.

  10. January 13, 2013

    About Oscar race:

    For me, the question is: Affleck IS the winner as Best Director and Argo, Best Picture. Argo is my second choice, the first is The Master
    The point: Affleck has no problem whit his advantage. He won hundread awards, tonight GG and i think he will win. DGA too. Everything is in it right place.
    But the Academy was/ is not in its right sense when snubbed Affleck – and considering tge whole thing, Bigelow too.
    So, the Academy is the exception, its the mute voice, the blind eye…
    And everybody is shocked and always will be for Academy’s mistake.
    In the end, like happened whit Brokeback Mountain and The Social Network, Academy did shit. So, making Minnie’ s The Help words mine: “Academy, eat your shit!”

  11. Yvette
    January 13, 2013

    Sasha,
    I love your passion for Lincoln because you put into words what this film means to me. It’s epic and those who don’t get that………well, I don’t know how to react to that. This is another awards season where this-person-will-win-because-they-won-that or Harvey and Clooney or because they don’t want to give to Spielberg etc…

    But for me, Lincoln is a gift in so many ways. And yet, it’s still all about political bs and who kisses who’s ass….

  12. Greg Y
    January 13, 2013

    PaulH, it’s reassuring to know your blind obsession with ratings and popularity runs over into television as well. It’s like one of the great constants in life, and that brings me comfort every day. Thank you.

  13. Mattoc
    January 13, 2013

    Clinton is on the circuit. He’s a former politician and now a performer for hire.
    Jodie Foster is #1

  14. Kjbacon
    January 13, 2013

    I’m troubled that it never crosses anyone’s mind that being married to Kathryn Bigelow may be the horror. So – why was the joke funny? Was it funny to Suzy Amis?

  15. January 13, 2013

    About the show:

    My favorite moments:

    * Foster human and brilliant speech. Remarkable and legendary.

    * Affleck and Argo victory, after the whole shit we know as well.

    * Clinton. And:” Hillary Clinton’s husband”

    * “J- Law”

    * Chastain making a tribute to Bigelow.

    * Fey and Poehler, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant!!! (Oscar, learn this too)

    *Garner thanking Clooney and Heslov in Affleck’s name.

    *Julianne Moore, the great, being so great…

    *Glenn Close, the greatest of all, shaking all as a hilarious drunk woman.

  16. Gentle Benj
    January 13, 2013

    “I’m troubled that it never crosses anyone’s mind that being married to Kathryn Bigelow may be the horror.”

    ‘I’m king of the world’ vs ‘I’d just like to dedicate this to the women and men in the military who risk their lives on a daily basis in Iraq and Afghanistan and around the world.’

    I don’t know these people, but I’ll take my chances that I have them read right.

  17. Mattoc
    January 13, 2013

    “It’s epic and those who don’t get that………well, I don’t know how to react to that”

    I got it alright, just didn’t think it was all that good as a movie. My honest opinion is that I felt it should have been done on the small screen – so it could bring the characters to life that were underwritten or forgotten half way through. I didn’t feel epic. Felt like a trailer.
    Obviously you won’t get DDL for the lead, but Jeremy Irons may have done it. Most of the others are no stranger to television either.

  18. REIChdome BACK with Avengeance
    January 13, 2013

    No help no! The globes have discredited themselves. Beyond the scope of comments on thissite or anything online. Because history says the globes hardly ever ever align with best picture at the Oscars. Nobody can seriously say argo is the best picture of the year. There is a reason Ffleck was snubbed and it was not just cos of Oscars unwcessary ludicrous schedule fiddling. But simply because Oscar are showing the one thing I applaud they do. More often than they used to they see themselves as totally independent from other self important arrogance of awards ceremonies.

    Oscar know all too well they at most on right track as they don’t bow. To supposed pressure by critics and other award precursors.

    For too long the globes elevated themselves as most important to influence Oscar . I relieved mre often than not there been a split since new millenium began one long overdue.

    If Lincoln won big at globes I would not complain. But reality is that Oscar align with guilds more than globe awards b.s. honestly, what the pointvof globes giving Lincoln record noms and Argo a lot less?

    I hope the globes get shown up for their show pony approach to awards and even if Lincoln won I would not If I were an Oscar member I lean on guilds and forget everyother self important critic and awards b.s. why can’t Hollywood just keep it simple?

  19. Mattoc
    January 13, 2013

    I refuse to acknowledge that Bigelow was married to James Cameron, and instead think she as married to Ridley Scott. At least their technical skills are on a par and worthy.
    No wonder they split.

  20. January 13, 2013

    If Gentle Benj didn’t read them right, then neither did I.

  21. January 13, 2013

    I guess I’ll be the lone person that didn’t get Foster’s speech at all. I genuinely was worried that she was gonna go off the rails in a drunken mess kind of way (and I think she did in the middle of it at points). While it may have been genuine and well-intended, I felt sorry for her and it made me realize that her and Mel are perfect for each other (and I say this as one of the few who think Mel should certainly be allowed to continue to have a career in the business).

    And it hit me about an hour in to the awards tonight that of all the awards shows that air, the Globes are the most obnoxious in their “aren’t we great” attitude. I don’t know if it’s something about the ample booze bandied about, but something didn’t sit right with me this year…and then they handed Affleck and Argo the top two awards and I wanted to disregard my previous thoughts.

  22. Bette
    January 13, 2013

    HFPA distancing itself from AMPAS is a smart move. It is AMPAS that has made the majority of the choices to discredit itself the past decade, heck, since 1928 (Wings????).

    I’ll take Aviator or Sideways over sentimental Million Dollar Baby, the latter being moving but manipulative (the gym bully and Hillary’s family in that film were portrayed as being only slightly nastier than Hitler).

    The Departed got an Oscar because Scorsese never won before (masterpieces Taxi Driver, Raging Bull and Goodfellas notwithstanding). I prefer Babel, though non-nominees Children of Men or United 93 to either. And LAFCA victor Letters from Iwo Jima.

    Both HFPA and AMPAS missed in 2007. There Will Be Blood was the film of the year. No Country for Old Men and Atonement are very fine films, and again, I prefer the latter; not as thrilling as the former, but far fewer flaws.

    The Hurt Locker just didn’t do it for me in 2009. Globe choice Avatar was more ambitious. Inglorious Basterds was better than either (and I am no Tarantino fan, not Django, not even Pulp Fiction, ugh, that interminable 3rd act).

    The Social Network was easily a finer piece of cinema than The King’s Speech (which was a good movie, but thanks to the smart script, actors and Beethoven). Social Network was on another level (and so were Black Swan and underrated Winter’s Bone).

    I won’t even get started on how Brokeback is an infinitely superior film to Crash. Everyone – and I mean everyone – agreed, and to HFPA’s credit, they didn’t even nominate Crash. Only Oscar winner to ever win that dubious prize without so much as a Globe nomination, but for The Sting (which they say was due to category confusion, drama vs. comedy…though I’d defend Crash the same way, it was so blunt, improbable, poorly directed and in your face earnest it was pretty funny).

    So now, Argo, over what? If Beasts of the Southern Wild or Amour pull off a major upset, then ok, the Academy (with kudos to the director’s branch for recognizing those two remarkable films, the finest of the year). Anything else but Argo, including the smart but not as riveting Lincoln, then once again, HFPA, you’re doing better.

  23. REIChdome BACK with Avengeance
    January 13, 2013

    I agree with what u saying Bette beliieve it or not in fact specifically the films u mentioned. That I agree totally globes got right when Oscar got it wrong. Maybe both globes and Oscar should merge? Make things simpler ..

  24. Bette
    January 13, 2013

    One more thing. The Oscars are absolutely about (a) following the precedents, (b) making up for prior wrongs (and almost always thereby creating more wrongs), and (c) politics. Anyone who disagrees doesn’t know their history. Yes, the nods for Beasts and Amour were fantastic shocks, but nothing like that has happened at the director’s branch since 1995 (when Ang & Ron Howard were supposed to be nominated for Sense & Sensibility and Apollo 13). This time the Academy directors got it right, but its the first time in 17 years they’ve gone against the grain like that, and Haneke was kind of favored to be nominated anyway, so even that isn’t really all that shocking. And frankly, there were no real surprises in any of the other major categories, maybe Jackie Weaver, but that’s hardly a shocker considering the competition, and the high unlikelihood that the Academy wasn’t going to watch or stomach Ann Dowd’s brilliance in Compliance.

    Anyway, the point is, you’re all shocked by the noms…because you don’t expect to ever be shocked. Sure, minor surprises here and there, its fun to guess, but shockers are rare, because the Academy follows precedents. If a movies wins the DGA, PGA, and WGA, it ALWAYS wins the Oscar for Best Picture (unless of course its gay Brokeback, the sole exception). If a movie wins the Globe (historically more important than people on this site are giving it credit for) and has the most nominations and the DGA, it ALWAYS wins the Oscar (unless of course its gay Brokeback…there’s kind of a trend here, no?).

  25. REIChdome BACK with Avengeance
    January 13, 2013

    Bit his year globes got it very wrong and where the hel was the dark knight rises? Which SHOULd be a formidable contender to this day in discussions in the press.

  26. REIChdome BACK with Avengeance
    January 13, 2013

    Agree hundred pcnt with u again they proved that with snubbing avatar, dark knight, rises this year, aviator, and on and on

  27. Glenn UK
    January 13, 2013

    It always makes me laugh when the GG noms are announced and everybody talks about their importance and potential affects its will have on Oscar. Fast forward to the show and everyone then says that the GG’s are a Mickey Mouse awards. I just don’t get it. The Globes and the critics awards have very little impact on the Oscar race yet every year we continue to look at them. Argo has picked up a lot of heat lately and I hope that carries to Oscar.

    A split year is coming – mark my words!!!!!

  28. nycguy123
    January 13, 2013

    [this sentence deleted. sorry, I don't even know what you meant by that, nyguy123, but it's too crude for me. I'm gonna disallow it so we can keep the discussion out of the gutter. -- Ryan]

    Anyway, love seeing Argo win and hope it goes all the win. It’s a total masterpiece and deserves everything it gets.

    Lincoln seems like it’s respected by the Hollywood crowd but no one is really passionate about it. It was an interesting movie about an historic legislative process but let’s face it, the movie felt like James Ivory directed a live action version of the “How A Bill Becomes A Law” episode of School House Rocks. I love history but Spielberg missed the mark by a country mile with this film.

    As far as Jodie Foster, her speech was a rambling mess. Except for the part about her mother in the end, the whole thing was incoherent and maudlin. Jodie laments the fact that she had no privacy in her 47 years in the business? She chose the acting profession and made a lot of money from it. Losing a bit of your privacy comes with fame. Foster should have instead went into accounting if she wanted privacy. Tabloids never follow around my accountant, as far as I know.

  29. lily
    January 13, 2013

    a spit with argo for BP leaves me wondering who a person who votes for argo as pic would choose to win in director. who would it be? ang lee is like the only person i could see being a lone director win (again) but does an argo voter like life of pi second best? i’m not so sure. don’t forget directors are listed by film first on the ballot as well, which helps explain why they rarely split at all.

    i’m still thinking lincoln/spielberg is the default choice in the end, with the preferential system especially

  30. January 13, 2013

    Shocks are fine. But, for AMPAS members to publicly campaign against a film (ZD30), because they can’t handle the complicated truth of a film, doesn’t say much for The Academy. Argue for Haneke and Zeitlin, but only at the expense of Bigelow if she WAS NOT one of the five best directors of the year. But, she was. She took a solid script and made one of the most intelligent action films in decades. That the AMPAS decided to overlook her is pox on their institution.

    Tim Robbins and Mike Figgis were two of the best directors of 1995. Their nominations were welcome. But, Bigelow blew them, Howard, Lee, and everyone else from 1995 and 2012 out of the water. But, as you alluded, Bette, they’ve been getting it wrong for decades.

  31. Reno
    January 13, 2013

    LES MISERABLES TOPS GOLDEN GLOBES WITH 3 WINS INCLUDING BEST PICTURE!

    That. Should. Be. The. Headline!

  32. daveinprogress
    January 13, 2013

    Lovely appraisal of the night and of the state of play, Sasha. I too was moved and inspired by Jodie Foster’s speech. As you and I are of the same age, having grown up (with)as did Jodie Foster in the 70′s, her travels in life and in art were beautifully expressed in her speech. It was both controlled, yet revealing. So too, Anne Hathaway’s sing out to Sally showed her humility and perspective. I would be a happy camper if Tina and Amy hosted every year until we all drop! After all Bob Hope, Johnny Carson hoated such events year after year.

    There is the awards race, with all the intrigue and machinations and postulations, and there is the art in film and in film loving (film appreciation sounds so stiff). I must visit here more during the year, and soak up the art and the love of film as well as these bizarre days of award-go-round. Cheers.

  33. Peter
    January 13, 2013

    i’m beginning to think ben affleck’s oscar snub is the best thing to happen to argo’s best picture chances since it’s initial release. what will be interesting if he also wins DGA and on oscar night, it’s a complete toss up.

    otherwise, pretty on par. les miserable winning 3 is not a surprise to me since they love their period musicals at the globes.

    it wasn’t gonna win best picture or director at the globes, but i’m glad ‘life of pi’ at least one tonight. i’m really curious how it’ll factor in on oscar night. i don’t think it’ll win best picture there either, but i’m banking it being the ‘hugo’ of this year and yanking a lot of techs.

    so yeah, chastain vs. lawrence until oscar night when non-precursored riva and wallis factor in. supporting actor is still a mess. BFCA to hoffman, GG to waltz.. wonder what SAG will say. should be nailbaiting.

  34. January 13, 2013

    RE: Jodie Foster

    She’s often full of herself and living in a bubble (but part of that bubble is kind of justified), but I can’t say that I wouldn’t act the same way had I also had to deal with her circumstances in life. If you don’t know her story, you should really educate yourself. And, if you do, and your response is ‘meh,’ then there really isn’t a conversation to be had.

    Yes, her speech was a rambling mess. But, it was also very touching (i.e. the part concerning her mother). We all knew she was never going to ‘come out’ the way everyone ‘wanted her to.’ HeII, I had no idea she was actually going to go there tonight. But, she did it her own, messed up way. Can’t really fault her.

    And, she even bit hamster puppets and wove industry pariah Mel Gibson into the mix. Talk about loyal to the fault. Again, messed up, but admirable. Not sure about the semi-doomsday tone to the last part of her speech, but if someone just handed me a lifetime achievement award, perhaps I might consider it’s time for a new profession.

  35. The Japanese Viewer
    January 13, 2013

    Congratulations to Ben Affleck for his achievement. In my opinion, Affleck has always come across as candid and unpretentious with his approach to film direction. Love his films. Good for him re GG.

    This year’s Cecil B. Demille award has always been the highlight of the event to me from day one. Jodie Foster is one of my favorite actors (actresses). I am so happy for her achievement and so-being recognized. Her speech was a bit out of place upon a first watch; however, like I’ve mentioned in one of my previous comments, she seems to have been candid and honest. And that, to me, is more important. Congratulations, Ms. Foster.

    *

    “Good thing Ang Lee is so zen.”

    Kudos to Sasha. I am not sure if she’s simply put it matter-of-factly or with an effort to come out funny as well. Either way it worked to me. But I am hoping Master Lee is not zen enough, though, to give a serious thought to joining the late Vincent’s friend Jules in his mission to find the meaning of life by walking the earth like Kane in Kung Fu. XD

    *

    Congrats to Lawrence and Hathaway. Re Oscar Best Actress, I’m rooting for JLaw but the lovely birthday gift to Riva will be fine as well.

    Kudos to JAPAN’s own Yoshiki for the delicious score highlighted during the event.

    Thanks for a good read, Sasha.

  36. MauiJim
    January 13, 2013

    I think tonight’s wins were just the HFPA being the HFPA. I still think Lincoln is the film to beat, and one of the reasons being your appraisal of it, Sasha. I don’t think AMPAS will be able to ignore that. Plus, they love “noble.”

  37. Mattoc
    January 13, 2013

    I thought all of it was touching. Jodie Foster is as strong as they come, even when she is down. She had things to say tonite and not much of it was about her. She’s hurting for her friends, hurting for her family. Life her up for fucks sake.

  38. Yvette
    January 13, 2013

    Yeah Mattoc..
    Lincoln should have been a History Channel mini-series accompanied by interactive study guides with pictures and stuff….
    Like teaching kids history with cartoons. The box office numbers say differently.

  39. Scott
    January 13, 2013

    I thought Anne Hathaway’s speech was moving and brilliant especially with her nod to Sally Field, acknowledging her legacy without saying she was more talented. Talk about covering your bases. Whether it was calculated or sincere or both it seems to really help solidify Anne with the Oscar win. Even people who perhaps were behind Sally would give Anne credit for the credit. The new generation wins more easily if they can give respect to their forerunners particularly when you consider that most Oscar voters are closer to Sally’s age than Anne’s. And yeah I would prefer for Sally Field to win but you can’t always get what you want.

    Unless SAG tells antother story.

  40. manrico1967
    January 14, 2013

    I am calling it right now: Ben Affleck will win the DGA.

    In 1985 Steven Spielberg was nominated for the DGA for The Color Purple.
    When the Oscar nominations came out, the movie got 11 nominations but Spielberg got left out.
    The Color Purple was Spielberg’s first “serious” movie. So, him getting snubbed by the Oscars got a lot of people talking.
    It was speculated that the DGA might give him the award as a response to the academy’s perceived slight. Spielberg did win the DGA that year.

    I’ve been obsessively following the Oscars for 30 years (I started in my mother’s womb). In those 30 years, there has not been a more stunning surprise than Affleck and Bigelow not getting nominated this year. I even considered the possibility of Spielberg not getting in (Since he failed to get a BAFTA nomination). Only Day-Lewis being left out would have been surprised me more.

    Bigelow already has her Oscar and DGA. Affleck has proved to be a real filmmaker, not just an actor that sometimes direct.

    So, like I said, Ben Affleck will win the DGA.

  41. January 14, 2013

    Mattoc brings up some good points.

    1) ZD30 is of the same quality as Alien, Blade Runner, and Thelma & Louise. And, it feels good to say that a fim that just came out lives up to those kind of standards. Which is so rare these days.

    2) Additionally, Lincoln may have benefitted from a telefilm format that would have allowed for more exploration into all the characters. As I’m understanding from commenter Rufus Sondheim, there was a great deal left out from Team of Rivals (particularly the political expediency angle, which I find interesting, and would have introduced more of a moral dilema and challenging themes; something that may have been better handled by another director that wasn’t as invested in the ‘noble’ aspect of the motion picture.)

    No, box-office numbers don’t lie. They certainly didn’t with The Help, either. Or Saving Private Ryan. And I believe Driving Miss Daisy grossly outgrossed Do the Right Thing in 1989 also. I’m sure there are other films we could add to the list. But, it’s late.

  42. The Japanese Viewer
    January 14, 2013

    “… (I am so happy for her achievement and so-being recognized.) Her speech was a bit ***out of place***… however, she seems to have been candid and honest. Congratulations, Ms. Foster.”

    Self-correction (sometimes you meant one thing and wrote another): all over the place (the content was perfectly fine), NOT out of place.

    Sorry.

  43. Koleś
    January 14, 2013

    If Affleck wins DGA (and maybe BAFTA) I quit. I officialy quit taking any interest in movie awards. I’ll be able to say that I have seen it all. This year is amazing. I mean when is the last time you had no idea who’ll win Best Picture, Director, both Screenplays, Actress, Supporting Actor. The last one is a serious mind boggler, the unexpected win for Waltz is not making it any more predictable. Bring on the guilds I say and please let them stir some shit up. Make De Niro win his first SAG or something. Make Riva win the BAFTA and Watts the SAG. Make Ang Lee win the DGA. Let there be suspense right up till the end when the envelope is opened.

  44. Mattoc
    January 14, 2013

    ^ bows

  45. Mattoc
    January 14, 2013

    My ‘bow’ was meant for The Japanese Viewe but I like your enthusiasm, Koles all the same.

  46. candice
    January 14, 2013

    Everyone in Hollywood seems to be feeling bad for Ben Affleck getting snubbed for the best director nomination. Hence that is why he keeps getting standing ovations and Argo wasn’t THAT amazing. Affleck getting snubbed changes the fate of who will best picture now. Everyone will now vote for Argo for best picture. Everyone feels bad for Ben. This might be the best thing that happened to him.

  47. el laurens
    January 14, 2013

    Why this year is truly remarkable…

    Since I’ve started watching the Oscar race in 2000, I’ve never seen a year as exciting and unpredictable as this. After tonight, I’ve realized, this will be an Oscar race unlike any other.

    I don’t think anybody has mentioned this yet, but this is the first year where 8 out of the 9 nominees for Oscar’s Best Picture have been awarded with a Golden Globe. The only other film, Beasts of the Sothern Wild, was not in contention to begin with.

    What this means to me: any film nominated can win! Les Miserables, Argo, and Django Unchained came out the big winners at the Globes, yet none of them are nominated for Best Director. Life of Pi, Lincoln, Zero Dark Thirty, and Silver Linings Playbook, all “Oscar director” nominees, all walked away with a single award. Amour, heavily favorited by the critics and online users, won in the one category it was nominated in.

    I have no idea what film will win Best Pucture at the Oscars. Earlier today, I thought Django Unchained had no chance of winning in the world. Now, after beating ZDT, Lincoln, Argo, and Silver Linings Playbook for Best Screenplay, I have no fuckin’ idea! What a great night!!!

  48. Tony
    January 14, 2013

    Random Thoughts

    I feel sympathy for Bigelow’s Oscar snub, but not for her personal life. Nobody FORCED her to marry Cameron and become his THIRD wife.

    I’m a fan of Sally Field and Christoph Waltz, but I don’t like the idea of folks winning a 2nd (or 3rd) Oscar without having had a loss (or more) along the way. Hillary Swank has two Oscars, but I don’t think of her as someone in rarefied air, because she’s only had the two nominations-turned-wins.

    Best Actress will come down to Jennifer vs. Jessica. Riva was very good, but there’s nothing extra to push her over the top. Even though she’s about to turn 86, she’s not “overdue,” because her career has been unremarkable.

    This year I don’t feel passionately about any one particular film, so my “vote” goes to “Argo” for BP. It’s the one film that exceeded my expectations.

  49. Koleś
    January 14, 2013

    If Argo goes to win BP with no Director nod, the logical thing (but I’m not sure logic means anything this year) is a best screenplay award, and that’s going to be very difficult (Lincoln, SLP, and the dark horse “Beasts…”). There are only few movies that won BP without winning neither Director or Screenplay. “Chicago” in 2003, “Gladiator” in 2001 and the next one is “All the king’s men” in 1950. Remember that in the years of “Gladiator” and “Chicago” there was a DGA/Oscar split. Plus the Oscar winning director was ALLWAYS nominated for the DGA, except 1950, but I think there was a mix-up with release dates (Mankiewicz won two Oscars in a row, and also two DGAs for the same movies, but not in a row, there was one DGA awards show seperating his two wins). I have no idea what will happen.

  50. Mohammed
    January 14, 2013

    @Candice: You are sorely mistaken- at least regarding the Golden Globes. They voted for Argo before the Oscar snub.

  51. Terometer
    January 14, 2013

    Lincoln is a good lesson for Bill Clinton, you know, of how to be faithful to your wife when she’s not ok and how to be an honest president.

  52. Jack Traven II
    January 14, 2013

    That was a pretty good read as usual, Sasha.

    As for the show: Some surprises, some laughs, many emotions, many commercials. Quite the appetizer needed before the prime award, huh? ;-)

    As for the outcome: Great having seen Argo and Ben Affleck winning.

    As for the Oscar: Well, the future has not been written. Or has it?

  53. Christophe
    January 14, 2013

    The news coverage of the Globes by the French media is outrageous. First, they start by whining abt how the French (Cotillard, The Intouchables) didn’t win anything. Really? What abt Amour? The film was shot in a Parisian apartment, with a cast of legendary French actors who speak french during the whole thing. That’s French enough for me. I don’t f***ing care if the director was born in Austria.

    And the worst part is they speak about Argo and DDL, but no word on Les Mis!!! Like it doesn’t even exist even though it’s also a movie abt France, based on a French monument of literature. But from what I read on Twitter, the French critics hate the movie even more than Sasha, like they think it’s a ridiculous travesty that disrepects the original work of Victor Hugo. And btw the Twitterverse is abuzz with French viewers who are really pissed that the peeps from Les Mis failed to mention the late author during their speeches. They’re already speaking abt boycotting the film in France!

    I hate my fellow country-men! They do not appreciate high culture. It matters not whether V. Hugo gets acknowledged, what matters is how is work endures through the centuries thanks to genius artists like Tom Hooper who are not afraid to revisit the classics.

  54. Zooey
    January 14, 2013

    @ Tony,

    to say that Emmanuelle Riva didn’t have a remarkable career is laughable and insulting. The woman was the lead in HIROSHIMA MON AMOUR and now is terrific in AMOUR. She won in Venice for THERESE. And now she has AMOUR. And she was in THREE COLORS. So maybe not many films, but she certainly has delivered some performances that are in classics and beloved! And mark my words, she will win.

  55. Christophe
    January 14, 2013

    @Zooey
    Not many films??? I guess you guys are only reading the English version of Wikipedia… If you check the French page, you’d see Riva actually starred in countless film/TV films and she also spent decades doing theater, so that’s quite a prolific career! But of course only a couple of those achievements made their way across the Atlantic.

  56. Ellsworth
    January 14, 2013

    RE: Jodie Foster
    I’m not sure people (making comments on here) necessarily get what she was trying to communicate. For one, part of what she was saying was that ‘privacy’ is extremely precious .. so in which case she did not blatantly come out. That was the point.

    Regarding people saying she was a ‘mess’ – Yes, her speech was not necessarily structured in a typified fashion; but her mind is brilliant – those with a thought process extremely creative and intellectual do not provide simplistic, formulaic thoughts .. or speeches for that matter. This was her conversation, from her authentic self, to the industry. People in her world get it.

  57. rufussondheim
    January 14, 2013

    The important takeaway from tonight is that no film is inevitable. Lincoln had 13 BFCA nominations, the most in history! yet it didn’t win. It had 7 GG noms, more than any other and a record for Spielberg! yet it didn’t win.

    So now voters are actually forced to think about what they put down in the number one, two, three and maybe even fourth spot as Lincoln Winning isn’t inevitable now.

    And now that Ben has his BFCA and GG wins, maybe the DGA, PGA won’t feel obliged to correct the AMPAS BD error. So this might be the Argo Highpoint.

    It seems like all of the ZDT torture (non) controversy happened right as the ballots were being filled out. Maybe a month from now, when people fill out their ballots, the torture controversy will seem like a distant memory (Kind of like how on election day, the Romney “win” of the first debate seemed like a distant memory) and people will come to their senses and reward ZDT as it was easily the best-reviewed film of the year.

    Or Les Miz could gain some more momentum by winning the SAG. Maybe a month from now, voters will be talking amongst themselves and many will give Les Miz a second look with their screener copy, maybe the close-ups won’t seem so jarring, maybe the music will be more catchy. Maybe they might put it on in the background as they read the paper, maybe they will start mindlessly humming Do You Hear the People Sing, maybe, over the next four weeks, they will start to love that film.

    Or maybe SAG will award SLP, with four acting nominations at the Oscars, it’s definitely a possibility. SAG’s 14000 or so members (can’t recall the number) will likely love SLP. Maybe the film will finally catch on with the public. It received a nice bump at the BO this weekend, maybe word of mouth is catching on. Maybe it becomes a box office juggernaut and takes the PGA too. They’ve liked some lighter fare in the past, it’s not impossible.

    Maybe Amour’s multiple nominations come as a surprise to AMPAS, maybe they decide to watch the film, maybe they are so moved by its truth and beauty and maybe it rings so true to them because of their parents or maybe even themselves. Maybe enough give it a shot to win in this confused fucked up year and put it #1 because it is a film they believe deserves to be there regardless of the box office or the language it was performed in.

    Maybe the technical prowess of Life of Pi is too much for the Visual Effects and Sound Effects and Cinematography branches to ignore. Maybe they choose to vote for it simply because of its stunning, seamless beauty. Maybe Hollywood takes to it’s non-traditional take on spirituality, in a land where religious trends always seem to find some traction, maybe just enough Academy members will find this worthy enough for a win. Heck, maybe even all of the gay members will want to give Ang Lee a make-up award. Maybe this film, strangely enough, will get all of these odd coalitions and maybe that will turn into a broad concensus.

    I don’t know. I can’t really imagine a scenario where Beasts or Django somehow gain momentum enough to win. But, hey, that’s OK. Maybe those scenaria are beyond my peripheral vision so I might want to turn my head.

    Any way you shake it, this race is so wide open, you could practically film a DVDA porn inside of it.

  58. Hannah
    January 14, 2013

    So, the only movie that can really upset Lincoln in the Oscars is clearly and only Argo, OK… but… best animated feature to Brave over Frankenweenie and Wreck It Ralph?????? The Globes have been really odd I must say…

  59. SJ
    January 14, 2013

    “If Oscar ballots had been turned in after the DGA and after the Globes, there’s a good chance that, at the very least, Ben Affleck and Tom Hooper would have been nominated for Best Director.”
    I think you are right about Ben Affleck, but not Tom Hooper. Musicals have an advantage over comedies in that category, so I don’t read too much into that. After all, Sweeney Todd beat Juno. In recent years, musicals have underperformed at the oscars compared to their precursor buzz, so I still believe the snob was imminent. Dreamgirls also won 3 globes, 2 supporting wins (not in the musical category) and Bill Condon had the DGA nom, but it didn’t get him to the oscar. Baz Luhrmann got DGA nom, and golden globe director nom and that did not translate to an oscar dir nomination. And Rob Marshall had the DGA win but lost the oscar.

  60. SallyinChicago
    January 14, 2013

    “I feel sympathy for Bigelow’s Oscar snub, but not for her personal life. Nobody FORCED her to marry Cameron and become his THIRD wife.”
    ^^
    What are you smoking?

    “Her speech was a bit out of place upon a first watch”
    ^^ It was way out of place, almost like she was getting a bunch off her chest…not a speech about Achievement and thanking folks who have helped her along the way, nor about acting. I got from the speech (a) she wanted to work again (she hasn’t done much recently and has only one movie up at imdb) but wanted to be “private”….she’s not one to attend those type of events, but she has to start competing with these younger and older women for parts…look at Streep, the woman is non-stop working; (b) did she imply that her mom had Alzheimer’s? (c) I don’t know why she had to bring up her sex orientation, nobody cares and everybody knows.

  61. SallyinChicago
    January 14, 2013

    Let me add: Robert Downey’s intro to Foster was weird.

  62. Julian the emperor
    January 14, 2013

    Tony: You don’t strike me as a person qualified to express an opinion on whether or not Riva’s career is “unremarkable”. Ignorance is bliss.

  63. Sammy
    January 14, 2013

    SLP will win the SAG ensemble. Ang Lee is the favorite for the DGA win. PGA award will go to Lincoln. Academy will opt to hand the BD to Haneke. BP – I don’t know!

  64. Bob Burns
    January 14, 2013

    The awards season does not have to make sense… and why should it? Is the world a better place because, for most recent years, a particular film has won a string of awards leading up to Oscar?

    Indeed, why would any awards group want their award to be labeled “precursor” to another award?

    No – I would not have voted for Argo, but the HFPA did. Is their choice less an honor (to the degree it is) because it might not be ratified by the Academy?

    And please explain why it matters that Oscar, Globes and the DGA don’t match up….. except that they aren’t conforming to a pseudo-scientific set of rules laid down by a handful of Oscar-bloggers?

    As dull as the awards season has been, groups lining up one after another to anoint the same players, is it any wonder that the Academy is taking Oscar back from people who had refashioned it into merely the expected result of a boring process?

    People like different films best – why shouldn’t different awards-granting bodies? There enough worthy recipients for everyone to have one of their own.

  65. January 14, 2013

    I must say one of the low lights for me was not seeing Meryl Streep. What is an awards event without her!? Good grief! (Oh and the speech by Wiig and Farrel was semi-funny – I laughed).

  66. The Japanese Viewer
    January 14, 2013

    “….(I am so happy for her achievement and so-being recognized.) Her speech was a bit out of place… however, she seems to have been candid and honest. Congratulations, Ms. Foster.”

    SELF-CORRECTION (sometimes you meant one thing and wrote another): all over the place (the content was perfectly fine), NOT out of place.

    -

    SallyinChicago,

    I already made correction of the above-shown quote in the first paragraph; please see the second one.

    To be clear to other readers: What I wrote in my first comment (the longer one; this one you’re reading is my third on this thread) has been amended in my second comment. KEYWORDS “OUT OF PLACE” HAS BEEN CHANGED TO “ALL OVER THE PLACE”, THE LATTER REFLECTING UPON WHAT I DID INTEND TO WRITE. (Sorry for all caps and any inconvenience.)

  67. The Japanese Viewer
    January 14, 2013

    [ABOUT PART OF MY FIRST COMMENT ON JODIE FOSTER’S SPEECH]

    [Excerpt taken from my first comment] “This year’s Cecil B. Demille award has always been the highlight of the event to me from day one. Jodie Foster is one of my favorite actors (actresses). I am so happy for her achievement and so-being recognized. Her speech was a bit out of place upon a first watch; however, like I’ve mentioned in one of my previous comments, she seems to have been candid and honest. And that, to me, is more important. Congratulations, Ms. Foster.”

    CORRECTION: THE TERM “OUT OF PLACE” HAS ALREADY BEEN AMENDED INTO “ALL OVER THE PLACE” in my second comment. (This one being the fourth.)

    Simply put, I am fine with the content of Ms. Foster’s speech. I just thought she could have been a bit, only a bit, more organized. That said, her speech was captivating and as a fan I really enjoyed it throughout.

    [Sorry for inconvenience.]

  68. Max G
    January 14, 2013

    It’s quite apparent to me why Lincoln didn’t win big at the Globes. It’s handed out by the HFPA, the Hollywood FOREIGN Press Association. Lincoln seems to be getting rave reviews only in the US, while critics around the globe step back from such high praise. It’s due to Lincoln being the probably biggest hero in US-History, while he doesn’t have (much) influence on us non-Americans. Having said that I’m not entirely sure about Lincoln’s chances at the Oscars, but believe in a win as most of the Academy is American.

  69. Nr27
    January 14, 2013

    My favourite moment of the show that nobody seems to have noticed: Jason Statham (inadvertently) ripping apart the envelope instead of just opening it – a real action hero! *g*

  70. John
    January 14, 2013

    What a frigged up year, and I love it.
    ———-
    Best picture looks good for Argo right now. But it’s a long way to the Oscars. And I feel. Linked lincoln is not out of it and may still have some to gain by current Argo momentum. Pus,as mentioned, Oscars may not want to do what GG did. Either way, I think it will be close. And I have SLP and Life of Pi tied at a distant 3rd right now.
    ———-
    Argo looks primed for BAFTA and maybe PGA.
    ———–
    Like Affleck, like Argo, but I am sad that Speilberg and Lincoln aren’t getting their due. And I’d like to say “yet”.
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    Happy for Les Mis and its 3 wins. Loved the movie. If it wins SAG ensemble then it’s peeking in at the contenders, but I think it’s just too divisive to win.
    ———-
    Only Lawrence won from SLP. Good. The less said about SLP from me the better. And it’s a shame, because I typically like ORussell and Lawrence (winters bone).
    ———
    Lawrence vs Chastain. Or can Watts make a dent at SAG or Riva with the Academy? Would love a shake up there,too. Although, I do love Chastain. It could be the Academy’s only way to award the bastard child that is Zero Dark Thirty.
    ———-
    DDL is the man.
    ———
    Supp. Actor …. Still have no freaking idea. PSH is loved, but The Master isn’t. Tommy Lee Jones is fantastic, but his onscreen demeanor doesn’t no favors. Will the Academy bite for Waltz again so Sony as a way to award Django? Can Deniro find a way with Weinstein? I can’t forget about him, either.
    ———
    Clinton is the man.
    ———-
    Friggin loved Adele and how excited she was to win. Refreshing.
    ———–
    Fey and Poehler were awesome. Was dyyyying at theJames Cameron joke. Best awards show joke I can remember.
    ———–
    Arnold and Haneke was awesome.
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    Jodie Fosters speech went from cray cray to poignant and wonderful by the end. Rewatchedit it twice.
    ———
    Good show overall. I still haven’t any clear idea on whos winning picture, director, actress, supp. actor, original screenplay, adapted screenplay, editing, art direction, score (hopefully Pi), etc.

  71. John
    January 14, 2013

    Damn autocorrect

  72. filmboymichael
    January 14, 2013

    Poehler and Fey were exactly what they should have been – I only wish the producers had them out there more. They were sorely missed whenever the show dragged. Which wasn’t often, thankfully.

    My favourite acceptance speech of the night was Chastain’s. She really schooled the other, seemingly more entitled actresses on how to deliver a speech that is humble, grateful and elegant.

    Hathaway’s speech, actually made me cringe. I thought it was forced, phony and insincere; and it didn’t seem like Field was buying it either. Also, her taking time out of the Les Mis producer’s speech time made me dislike her win even more.

    Call me out all you want folks – I actually like Hathaway, but I’m really not liking her this awards season. I don’t think it’s an oscar worthy performance and I hope that her blatant air of entitlement bites her in the ass on oscar night making way for a win for Field, or anyone else for that matter.

  73. jeremy6
    January 14, 2013

    I hope Lincoln doesn’t win, and I hope Spielberg stop using his stupid politicking to win Oscar. Pathetic.
    Argo, Zero Dark Thirty and Amour are much better than Lincoln.

  74. Nic V
    January 14, 2013

    Sally

    Damn woman pull your claws out of Jodie Foster’s back you’ve got blood on your nails.

  75. Leo
    January 14, 2013

    The Good, The Bad and the Creepy

    Good:
    - Jennifer Lawrence: ” Harvey, thanks for killing whoever you had to kill to get me up here”
    - The Cameron-torture joke
    - The Ferrell-Wiig bit (a bit too long, but a killer finale by Ferrell: “none of these clips seem familiar to me”)
    - Adele having great fun
    - Most of Foster’s speech
    - Tarantino laugh-spit take
    - Paul Rudd’s cool when things went wrong

    Bad:
    - The Baron-Cohen bit
    - Foster suggesting she may be quitting the movies (or did I misunderstand that?)
    - Affleck forgetting to thank Clooney

    Creepy:
    - Stallone’s diction is indeed worse than Arnold’s
    - Mel Gibson looking lost, crazy and/or drunk everytime they showed him

  76. Ismael Ibarra
    January 14, 2013

    I agree with @filmboymichael. Anne’s tribute to Field was nice but when she took time to be (not so) funny saying she forgot to mention some people… I was cringing and it disgusted me that she’s so desperate for an award. No wonder people dislike her. I hope Sally wins the Oscar, she deserves it more to be honest.

  77. Scott (the other one)
    January 14, 2013

    Jodie Foster’s speech — watched the show with two others, and all three of us thought she was drunk or stoned. I just wanted her to stop talking and go back to snuggling with her BFF Mel Gibson. I actually don’t mind her speech so much when I read it, but live, it was agonizing.

    James Cameron joke — best laugh of the evening. Kathryn Bigelow was shocked and also laughed, so those who thought it was inappropriate can just calm down. Fey and Poehler were outstanding and I just wanted more of them.

    Scariest moments — Sly Stallone’s face, and the shot of Angelica Huston in the audience.

    I predicted Argo would win. I did not think the HFPA would respond to the Lincoln mythology in the same way that Americans do. That is not a criticism of Lincoln, which I liked a lot — just an observation about cultural differences. I would still say Lincoln is the prohibitive front runner for BP because the majority of AMPAS voters are American.

  78. mecid
    January 14, 2013

    If he uses politics he would have won Globe, jeremy6. If he uses politics he would have won BP for Saving Private Ryan. He is arguably the mightiest man in business, If he uses politics he would have won for Munich. He would have nominations for A.I, Minority Report.
    So on so on.

  79. Christophe
    January 14, 2013

    As much as I admire Anne Hathaway, I must also admit she looked a bit creepy last night. I think it’s the short hair… she was already quite fidgety before she cut her hair, but at the same time she was more attractive and somehow that made her seem more agreeable? Just look at her in TDKR, she was stunning and exuding confidence, she should try to behave that way when she’s unscripted too.

  80. Daveylow
    January 14, 2013

    Filmboymichael writes; “My favourite acceptance speech of the night was Chastain’s. She really schooled the other, seemingly more entitled actresses on how to deliver a speech that is humble, grateful and elegant.

    Hathaway’s speech, actually made me cringe. I thought it was forced, phony and insincere; and it didn’t seem like Field was buying it either. Also, her taking time out of the Les Mis producer’s speech time made me dislike her win even more.”

    I totally disagree about Hathaway’s speech. Did you want her to speak like a bumbling idiot? She did a roundtable with Sally Field and told her then that she idolized her. I think she meant all that she said. What more do people want? I think she’s just nervous.

    I like Chastain but believe it or not her story is the story of almost every struggling artist out there. What she said was not unique but she seemed sincere.

    I would like Naomi Watts to win one of these awards because I think she would say the same thing as Chastain, who really is much more the critics’ darling than Watts.

  81. Daveylow
    January 14, 2013

    I’m kind of relieved the same movies aren’t winning every award. At last the voters aren’t voting like sheep. Did anyone really think The Artist was the only good movie last year?

    I’m not crazy about Argo as everyone else. It seems the safest film to award best picture. Some of my friends who love films don’t think it’s very original. But that’s part of its appeal, I guess. It’s well executed comfort food.

  82. Nic V
    January 14, 2013

    I have to first say that I thought Tina Fey and Amy Poehler’s opening was perfect. They had some great lines and just bounced off each other. But honestly as the night wore on their bits kind of started going south. But they were the best hosts I’ve seen in a long time on this show. There were a lot of great quotes last night but “That Was Hillary Rodham Clinton’s husband…” was one of the best.

    I’ve made comment about Jodie Foster in another thread and don’t feel need to address her speech any further. But there is one thing she said that should underscore what every actress experiences when they reach that “age” that throws them a curve. That you have to fight for roles “ala” Sally Field for Lincoln. This is one thing in Cinema that I will always acknowledge. While men seem to make the transistion from stud to mature old man easily in film it’s not so easy for women. Very few have been able to work regularly regardless of their talent. Rather sad that a woman who has spent her entire life in film and theater at 85 finally is acknowledged as even existing in Hollywood. I think she made a couple really stupid American films in the sixties where she was used as window dressing. Why she wasn’t nominated for a Golden Globe I can’t fathom but it’s the HFPA so it’s not a surprise.

    Also again these are critics they aren’t members of AMPAS. They don’t get to vote for the Oscar. It would be foolish to think these things don’t influence or rather confirm the way someone might be leaning but I’ve been watching this show since it started being aired for a lot of years this group of awards never even made it to Television. Now we seem to put every awards show that can be found on Television.

    Argo is a damn good film. Directed with skill by Ben Affleck. I liked it a lot but it’s just not the Best Film of the year in my opinion. It’s certainly in the top five but not the best. I actually think Ben’s “The Town” was better. Affleck’s performance in The Town was better than it was in Argo. But still a good film.

    “I beat Meryl Streep” I cringed when I heard that come out of Jennifer Lawrence’s mouth. If I were Jennifer Lawrence I would pray that all the final ballots had been mailed to the Academy because that little statement could bite her in the ass. I understand it was the excitement of the moment but you just don’t get up on stage after winning an award and say “yeah I vanquished you…take that..”. “Thank you for killing whoever you had to kill to get me up here…” Great line but if I were Harvey Weinstein that’s the kind of publicity I really wouldn’t want attached to my name considering how he’s viewed by a lot of people.

    Jessica Chastain delivered a wonderful speech. It was touching to hear her talk about how she kicked and struggled for years to work in the industry and now finds herself finally grabbing her dream. It was one of the most humble and sublime moments of the night.

    Anne Hathaway after rambling around for weeks spewing nonsense redeemed herself when she acknowledged she wasn’t the only actress in the category. Sorry but the Supporting Actress Award truly belongs to Sally Field although she won’t win. Even in my GG ballot for this site I finally acknowledged that Sally Field would have to die to probably win the Oscar but it’s even too late for that I think. Cut your hair off loose ten pounds and sing a song and win awards everywhere for it. Put on twenty five pounds, make yourself look very unattractive and spend a great deal of time becoming Mary Todd Lincoln and well you’re 56 you’ve got two Oscars already go home and be happy Sally just doesn’t sit well with me. But that’s life.

    Loved Adele’s spontaneity. She was infectious.

    Tarantino winning screenplay over Argo, Lincoln, Pi and Zero. Yeah right.

    Les Miserable winning best film when the critics basically canned it after they raved about Silver Lining is just so much bs it’s ridiculous. I guess the HFPA doesn’t read critics reviews.

    Hugh Jackman. Like him a lot but the quick glimpse of Bradley Cooper said it all. Jackman works his ass off in Les Miz. ’nuff said.

    Brave. LMAO. Brave as I recall hasn’t won a single animated award this year in this category and the HFPA give it Best Animated Film. Now I liked Brave. But that was another shocker.

    As for Kathryn Bigelow loved The Hurt Locker. I have to admit I was glad to see Mark Boal loose to Taranting even as much as I don’t buy it only because I think Boal is playing games with his intentions. You don’t go to Oberlin and study philosophy and then write a couple films in the same vien and then say you’re not making a statement.

    And would someone explain to me what the hell was Lena Durhnam’s issue? If she couldn’t walk in those shoes then kick the damn things off and hike up your dress and go barefoot. She looked like she needed a walker. BTW nice tattoos’ Lena I won’t be around to see them when you’re sixty but I bet they’ll look real pretty then.

  83. Christophe
    January 14, 2013

    @daveylow
    Argo = TV movie of the week, safe crowd-pleaser but not necessarily BP material

  84. Christophe
    January 14, 2013

    @NicV
    Voting for the final phase of the Academy Awards starts one month from now (FEB. 8) so JLaw, Hathaway, Chastain,… have plenty of time to either change whatever image of themselves they’ve given so far this awards season. Here’s to hoping Naomi Watts gives a killer speech when she wins her SAG awards two weeks from now.

  85. Sasha Stone
    January 14, 2013

    I love your passion for Lincoln because you put into words what this film means to me. It’s epic and those who don’t get that………well, I don’t know how to react to that. This is another awards season where this-person-will-win-because-they-won-that or Harvey and Clooney or because they don’t want to give to Spielberg etc…

    But for me, Lincoln is a gift in so many ways. And yet, it’s still all about political bs and who kisses who’s ass….

    Thanks Yvette! I appreciate that. It might turn out that Lincoln is a film that never wins a single major award. But when you think about the people actually voting on the awards you understand it a little better. Lincoln was a president for the ages and Spielberg made a film for the ages — people out there in the rest of the country are appreciative of it. To me, it is a moving, elegant, magnificent film. And that will always remain true no matter if people check it off on their ballots or not. It is bigger than that.

  86. Rebecca
    January 14, 2013

    Congratulations to Kevin Costner! So well deserved!

  87. Christophe
    January 14, 2013

    lol! in last night’s episode of The Simpsons Bart wrote on the chalkboard during the opening credits: “I will obey Oscar campaign rules from now on”. I really hope they get the best anim short trophy for the longest daycare it might be their best shot at an academy award ever, the simpsons movie wasn’t even nominated for best anim feature.

  88. Sammy
    January 14, 2013

    Lincoln lost the Globe and probably will lose the BAFTA considering not having the crucial BD node and can we say it is still the frontrunner? How many films in history went on to win the oscar without Globes and Bafta wins? Not too many I think.

  89. January 14, 2013

    My GOOD & BAD of the Globes last night: http://grapevinepics.com/post-globe-reflections/

    Best thing about it was Kristen Wiig and Will Ferrell’s presentation of Best Actress-Musical/Comedy. That was a treasure chest of gold.

    The winners were mostly amazing only because every major movie had a moment to shine on stage (barring perhaps Life of Pi, but even that won for music so it’s OK. Plus Ang Lee looked like a kid in a candy store)

    I get the Lincoln worries from those who support Lincoln to win everything it’s nominated for, but spreading the wealth a bit is just better for everyone involved. It’s not like Spielberg’s Lincoln needs Academy’s seal of approval to be remembered for the great movie that it is.

    But Tommy Lee Jones was pissssseeddddd. Supporting Actor is wide open now, really curious to find out who will win the SAG on that.

  90. Aragorn
    January 14, 2013

    I am confused now.

    - Social Network won all those critics awards and major awards and it should have won Oscar too. It didnt. It was robbed.

    - King’s Speech didnt win those critics awards so it shouldnt have won Best Picture. But it did. so it was unfair.

    - Lincoln not winning any major award so far is fine, still it is a great film (by the way I agree with this last one).

    Interesting but also confusing…

  91. Unlikely hood
    January 14, 2013

    11. Ben Affleck’s aplomb. He looked genuinely shocked, both times. Classy of him to respect not only his fellow nominees but others – like comparing PTA to orson welles. I’m not even the biggest fan of Argo, and I’ve certainly made jokes at Affleck’s expense – starting when he held that baseball bat in Dazed and Confused – but hey, nice guy. If some 40-year-old in town gets to see every script first, I’m glad it’s him.

  92. Danemychal
    January 14, 2013

    Bob Burns wins the thread. Variety is the spice of life. And no matter who wins what, no one can take away the existence of (or your enjoyment of) what you personally believe to be the best films of the year.

    Awards are nice, but they prove nothing.

  93. Scott (the other one)
    January 14, 2013

    By the way, I have decided that all awards shows should implement a new rule for situations where the announced winner does not show up (and I mean you, Maggie Smith and Ed Harris): the presenters should be brought a second envelope, containing the person who came second in the votes, and the award should go to that person!

  94. Christophe
    January 14, 2013

    @Scott
    wow! Now that’s a really good idea! Never thought of it but they should totally do that…

  95. January 14, 2013

    Bette and Manrico1967,
    Great words.
    I completelly agree.

    In the end, this unbelievable snub against Affleck can be his garantee to win BP.
    The Master is out, Argo is the best film after it, so I’m wondering, maybe, the best can be BD award to Ang Lee (or Haneke? No, I don’t see he being the first to win in a foreign language film… if the same Lee didn’t in 2000′s CTHD) and make justice to Affleck whit BP award.
    I repeat: Academy created that ridicule and fucking amazing situation, so clean your shit now!!!!

  96. Nic V
    January 14, 2013

    Sasha you know we’ve read on this site so many times comments like “she’s so overdue it’s her time to win, he’s worked his ass off for years it’s his turn to win, she’s black so let give her the award to make history, he’s hispanic let’s give him the award so that we can acknowledge the hispanic contribution to film”. I’ve never been fond of those statements I think in my opinion they end up demeaning a really meaningless frenzy of slapping people on the back and saying “good job”. The awards season for film is like a feeding frenzy of piranha in an Amazon River. Some poor white man got lost and fell in and the fish had a picnic. That’s the award season. But for the first time in a very long time watching Spielberg loose each time I’m beginning to wonder if maybe there’s an epitaph that appropriately fits him this year. I have on in mind but I won’t dare type it because would probably come off badly rather than tongue in cheek as it would be meant. This is the first time in many years I’ve invested this much in a film hoping that it would win. It’s dissappointing and it certainly won’t destroy my life but I just don’t get it. It’s like the elephant in the room. You know it’s good and yet the only thing that anyone will acknowledge is Daniel Day Lewis performance. Thank god for that I guess. In time I truly believe Lincoln will be one of those films that no one will be able to deny. You did good this year with Lincoln Sasha. Damn good.

  97. unlikely hood
    January 14, 2013

    John

    Nic V

    Leo

    Gentle Benj

    …Well said.

    Vince Smetana – good replies.

    rufussondheim – meh. added nothing.

    REICHdome back – who cares?

    PaulH (from the top) – Oooo you really nailed Poehler and Fey! Must be rough on them with TBS and their ilk begging and over-bidding on syndication rights. Every time they get a four-figure royalty check – you know, every week for the rest of their lives – they’ll remember your harsh, harsh words. good job!

    When Bill Clinton came out for Lincoln, did I see steam coming out of Harvey Weinstein’s ears?

    Nik G – d’accord. All the oscar BP noms won something! Except Beasts, but sorry when you start the year as an unknown at Sundance, the noms are enough.

    I predict nothing about the Oscars. What I do predict is that in a few years we’ll look back and say “it’s not as fun as 2012.”

  98. January 14, 2013

    Regardless of the results last night, I still think a Lincoln near sweep is inevitable, at least in the major categories (Picture, Director, Screenplay, Actor, even supporting actor).

    I still feel it as an average The West Wing episode, but with superlative production values. And Daniel Day Lewis’ Lincoln doesnt quite convince me. That being said, american here, beloved director, one of the greatest actors / ensemble out there, a talkie script, and a box office smash that looks set to be in classrooms in America for years to come.. It looks inevitable to me.

    I would vote for Life of Pi as my number one choice in most categories it was nominated, and Zero Dark Thirty in others. Emmanuelle Riva for Amour, JLaw’s Tiffany didnt do much for me.

    T.

  99. January 14, 2013

    You know it’s good and yet the only thing that anyone will acknowledge is Daniel Day Lewis performance. Thank god for that I guess. In time I truly believe Lincoln will be one of those films that no one will be able to deny. You did good this year with Lincoln Sasha. Damn good.

    You say that as if the film that won wasn’t good. Sasha herself LOVED Argo and wrote a glorifying review for it before she saw Lincoln. If Lincoln is your favorite to win, great, and you can be a bit disappointed that it hasn’t but if the alternate is Argo? Ben Affleck for his direction? Can you seriously be that pissed, disappointed or confused? I wanted Zero Dark Thirty or Life of Pi to win Best Picture and Bigelow to win directing, but you won’t hear me complaining and kicking any stones with my head lowered on the ground. Argo is fucking awesome and to have it win these types of awards is an amazing accomplishment for a great film.

    And you talk as if Spielberg never won anything. He’s won loads. No reason to feel so dejected.

  100. January 14, 2013

    Little edit: “American heroe”, not american here. I’m not american. Would love to visit again, tho!

    T.

  101. TOM
    January 14, 2013

    Maybe I interpreted it wrong, but I found AHathaway singling out SField as a completely grating moment. In her attempts to appear gracious (to her main upsetter), it was a demeaning stab in the back to quickly remind everyone of The Singing Nun…toss in Norma Rae…skip Places in the Heart…but reduce her skills again as Mama Gump. Why not minimize more by saying she’s better in Gidget/Smokey & the Bandit/Beyond the Posedien Adventure or Punchline?

  102. January 14, 2013

    @unlikelyhood, the noms are more than enough for that film. I actually find Beasts overrated and I’m still a little sick in my stomach from the Zeitlin and Wallis nominations. Missing out on the only two noms that it actually deserves (score and Dwight Henry).

    Meh, can’t have it all.

  103. Yvette
    January 14, 2013

    Yes to everything you said Sasha and NicV. And thank you Sasha for responding to my post… I bow down..
    They gave a standing O to Affleck… And DDL gave a performance of a lifetime but only Sally Field and Rebecca Miller stood up …. What… Were they all drunk by then.
    It just shows how shallow the whole process can be…its not about transcendent work, but who is more adept at shaking hands and starf****… And Clooney is a master. Did you notice Julia Roberts handing out the award for Argo…uggh… Its like high school isn’t it?

  104. Jay
    January 14, 2013

    If Affleck wins the DGA and Argo takes the top prize at SAG, it’s entirely possible for Argo to win the Oscar for Best Picture. Deservedly so.

  105. January 14, 2013

    Sally Field as in Beyond the Poseidon? LOL

    Love her, though. She’s my pick for Best Supporting Actress of 2012 (from what I’ve seen).

  106. January 14, 2013

    If Affleck wins the DGA and Argo takes the top prize at SAG, it’s entirely possible for Argo to win the Oscar for Best Picture. Deservedly so.

    After this bizarre hate it’s getting from the ardent Lincoln supporters, I kinda hope it really does now. Even when the Oscar race is full of great films and deserving winners (so far anyway) there will always be people who moan and complain. I see now why this business of Oscar reporting can drive someone completely mad.

  107. January 14, 2013

    LINCOLN is supposed to be criticized for not slamming EVERYTHING from the book into the screenplay? It should’ve been made as a TV series instead?

    It’s funny how the haters act. Lacking valid criticism of the actual film, they create phantom issues, such as telling the screenwriter what to include or not and reprehending the director for not choosing the most appropriate format to employ.

    Pathetic.

  108. Daveylow
    January 14, 2013

    Affleck said it best. He never imagined his name would be mentioned in the same breath as the other great directors nominated alongside him. I’m still wondering how is beating these directors who are better than he.

    But then Sydney Pollack vanquished Kurosawa and John Huston at the Oscars, too.

    It’s all so sad.

  109. Daveylow
    January 14, 2013

    How quickly the hate toward Les Miz is now being transferred to hate toward Anne Hathaway.

  110. January 14, 2013

    “After this bizarre hate Argo is getting from the ardent Lincoln supporters.”

    I read Yvette’s comment again looking for the ‘bizarre hate’ and I don’t find a trace of it.

    I have no time to scour all 900 comments from last night searching for evidence of ‘bizarre hate,’ but the impression I get casually following along the discussion the past several hours is a pervasive sense of solid admiration for Affleck. The same admiration I’ve seen for months around here — especially in AD’s main page column.

    [Nik, please don't take this a challenge to go find examples of coarse remarks about Affleck, ok? This is the internet. We know people say crude things. Let's let those slurs stay buried under the mostly universal favorable things people are saying.]

  111. Daveylow
    January 14, 2013

    “By the way, I have decided that all awards shows should implement a new rule for situations where the announced winner does not show up (and I mean you, Maggie Smith and Ed Harris): the presenters should be brought a second envelope, containing the person who came second in the votes, and the award should go to that person!”

    Maggie Smith is an elderly woman who can’t always be flying from London to LA to pick up an award. Maybe they should stop nominating her. Not sure what Ed Harris’ excuse was. Maybe he thought he wasn’t going to win. Or he was sick. Or was working. Or had better things to do.

  112. January 14, 2013

    @Ryan. You got me. Bizarre hate is definitely an overstatement and an exaggeration. I guess it’s my subconscious defaulting into overdrive after the comments from Yvette and Nic V, who are not showing “hate” but definitely a very dejected, sad, disappointed and confused attitude. None of which I understand.

    This column itself starts off with the word “Tragic” in the title. Was there anything so tragic about last night, honestly?

    Anyways, this type of attitude snowballs into hate a few weeks down the line from now…some are already calling Argo “TV movie of the week” and such. I say that my use of the phrase “bizarre hate” is misplaced right now and I sincerely hope it stays that way.

  113. January 14, 2013

    Was there anything so tragic about last night, honestly?

    Apart from watching Lena Duhnam try to walk in heels of course :)

  114. January 14, 2013

    Was there anything so tragic about last night, honestly?

    Tarantino’s tedious niggerlicious slapstick exploding-redneck splatfest chosen over Tony Kushner’s monumentally literate screenplay.

  115. January 14, 2013

    Not to stay stuck on Kushner and Lincoln, Nik. All 4 screenplays that lost last night look monumental next to this laziest thing Tarantino has ever written. Argo, Zero Dark Thirty, Lincoln, and even Silver Linings are all far more accomplished screenplays in my eyes. So yes, when the worst and ugliest nominee of the 5 wins out over four better rivals, that’s feels tragic. It’s a travesty. It sickens me.

  116. unlikely hood
    January 14, 2013

    Was there anything so tragic about last night, honestly?

    Paul Rudd and Salma Hayek’s self-regard.

  117. Danemychal
    January 14, 2013

    QT over Kushner. Defintely the biggest travesty of last night. Awful, awful. I’m a huge Lincoln supporter (I sprang for a cast-signed movie poster from the NYFF premiere to hang in my den), but I have no disdain for Affleck and Argo. A perfectly acceptable choice for BP. It’s just not my top choice (it is in my top 3 though). Ultimately, if Kushner and DDL are winners on Oscar night, I will be happy enough. Will be thrilled if Lincoln wins though.

  118. representDLV
    January 14, 2013

    That’s fine if you preferred Lincoln’s screenplay over Django’s. They are both good screenplays. But thinking that awarding Tarantino over Kushner is somehow “tragic” is beyond ridiculous. I preferred Django to Lincoln as did many people here. So does that make us stupid for liking Django over Lincoln? The HFPA seemed to agree with me as well.

  119. January 14, 2013

    Tarantino’s tedious niggerlicious slapstick exploding-redneck splatfest chosen over Tony Kushner’s monumentally literate screenplay.

    Haha, ok I kinda walked right into that one with you. I know you didn’t like Django as much as everyone else, we’ve been through that. Two different types of cinematic dialogue there. But Kushner is safe for the Oscars, surely you must feel that. And I think we both know that’s not what Sasha meant in her title (since she actually includes QT’s win as a plus)

  120. January 14, 2013

    OT

    The Georgia Film Critics Association has announced its nominations

    http://screenonscreen.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/georgia-film-critics-association.html

  121. Lynne
    January 14, 2013

    Anne Hathaway simply can’t win with the public. It’s difficult for an actress who got their first big break with Disney, and having a wholesome image to be taken seriously, as an actress. She had to fight hard for her career. She was typecast for a very long time. She’s just excited that people are finally starting to acknowledge her talent, which is severely underrated. Lets be honest, it doesn’t matter what Anne said because people would think she’s insincere, regardless. I guess being humble and modest, and being thankful resorts to people thinking someone’s being phony. Anne mentioning “The Princess of Genovia” was a great way to start a speech. Women who come from that squeaky clean background would kill to have the career Anne Hathaway has now! This is how you transform from child actress, to “It Girl”, and now a respected winning actress.

  122. Terometer
    January 14, 2013

    According to oscar blogger Jeff Wells, Spielberg arranged the Clinton deal. If that’s true, it’s really ugly and tragic.

  123. Bob Burns
    January 14, 2013

    “Tarantino’s tedious niggerlicious slapstick exploding-redneck splatfest chosen over Tony Kushner’s monumentally literate screenplay.”

    word

    HFPA couldn’t resist.. they’re entertainment writers.

  124. January 14, 2013

    So does that make us stupid for liking Django over Lincoln?

    It’s going to be as hard to make a case accusing me of saying you’re “stupid” as it was to find proof of “bizarre hate.”

  125. keifer
    January 14, 2013

    All in all, one of the better Golden Globes shows in years.

    I liked Amy and Tina. They were hysterical hosts.

    They’d be fun together at the Oscars too. Perhaps this was a warm-up for a future Oscar hosting?

    Liked the love for “Argo” and “Django Unchained”. Their choices were surprising in some instances . . . but certainly not outrageous as in other years (remember Pia Zadora winning in one of the worst movies ever made . . . “Butterfly”)?

  126. unlikely hood
    January 14, 2013

    No big whoop, but if you liked Django and you don’t consider yourself niggerlicious, here’s a couple of short essays by an African-American many-books-published professor at USC who agrees with you:

    http://drtoddboyd.blogspot.com/

  127. representDLV
    January 14, 2013

    I never accused you of saying that we were stupid. I asked if that’s what you thought? Cuz you could definitely believe that without saying it.

  128. January 14, 2013

    Alright. I do not think you or very many USC professors are stupid.

    I also don’t think it’s too impressive when a USC professor compares Django to Superfly.

  129. January 14, 2013

    That was a great read unlikelyhood, thanks.

    Ryan, he doesn’t compare them. He says they are fictional characters, both influenced by Jack Johnson. And he sounds like he knows what he’s talking about.

    Django has done just done just about as much for African-American empowerment this year as Lincoln has for reminding us how it all began. Both films are, funnily enough, great compliments to each other. Django is just way more cinematically entertaining for some, while Lincoln is the more poetic chamber piece that deserves the respect it’s getting.

    I would agree that ZD30, Argo and Lincoln are more accomplished screenplays, in a formally artistic sense. Still, I find all four really strong and Tarantino’s the most entertaining which sometimes deserve a bit of lovin’ too. (Don’t want to mention Silver Linings, formulaic Hollywood rom-coms don’t deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the other four)

  130. Jerry Grant
    January 14, 2013

    “Django” will go down in history. It’s not Tarantino’s best or tightest script. But it’s his most important movie. I won’t begin on the actual analysis.

    Henry Louis Gates’s three-part interview with Tarantino is very good.
    http://www.theroot.com/views/tarantino-unchained-part-1-django-trilogy
    http://www.theroot.com/views/tarantino-unchained-part-2-n-word
    http://www.theroot.com/views/tarantino-unchained-part-3-white-saviors

  131. January 14, 2013

    Yes, I’ve noticed that not everybody agrees with me about Django. Thanks.

  132. January 14, 2013

    Thanks, Paddy!

  133. Bob Burns
    January 14, 2013

    HFPA is in Henry Gate’s back pocket?

    The schedule of their telecast is printed on the HFPA’s ballots. No?

  134. Ace Galaxy
    January 14, 2013

    Ryab Adams – “niggerlicious”

    Funny, I bet if a commenter used this word they would’ve been banned. What’s even more ironic is that after demeaning Django to just drival “niggerlicious slapstick splatfest” he goes on to say Lincoln, another movie about racial inequility, should have won. Great to see Lincoln’s message had a positive effect on you!

  135. goodvibe61
    January 14, 2013

    I have to disagree about Quentin’s win. It’s well deserved indeed.

    Tarantino continues to explore so many fascinating elements of storytelling in this film. His long running dialogue with the audience about the nature of truth through a person’s actions vs his appearance is breathtaking.

    Tarantino’s greatest themes, the exploration of the mythic vs the real, or appearance vs reality, are once again explored at great length and with an eloquent detail that that most screenwriters are simply not capable of conveying. It’s right up there (but perhaps not quite as tremendous) with Basterds, which was simply filled to the brim with the idea, culminating with an extended scene filled with roles and role playing that had audiences sitting on the edge of their seats for 15 minutes of tension filled terror AND humor . Stunning. And the remarkable part is that if people don’t want to look deep and simply remain on the surface of things, few write as entertaining a yarn as Tarantino does.

    We see these ideas all over again throughout Django Unchained, and in different ways, with characters “playing roles” intentionally (as a play within the play with King Schultz and Django, who thoroughly explore this idea), or through some brilliant metafictional conceit (this time around it’s Sam Jackson being the primary example of both a character defying the audience’s expectations, and the actor defying them at the same time for a completely different reason). His work careens around these ideas like a spinning top, and watching the film work on an audience is a mesmerizing experience.

    These qualities, the effects of the mythic upon the reality, have been there from the very beginning, when Reservoir Dogs immediately revealed itself to be a design rich in dual natures and their duplicitous myth making. From the very first scene: “Let me tell you what Like A Virgin is About”, to Joe Cabot giving the criminals their names “Here are your names: Mr. Blue, Mr. Brown, Mr. Blonde, Mr. White, Mr. Orange, and Mr. Pink”, to the wonderful telling of the “commode story”, the “interesting anecdote that takes place in a men’s room”, and on and on, it was immediately evident via the myriad of examples that pile twist upon twist to each important character in the piece, Tarantino’s exploration of character has had more of an impact of filmgoers than anyone I can think of.

    Jules Winfield: “Let’s get into character”.

    Personally I find these elements to be some of the finest buried treasure, completely worth digging around for, and people focusing their attention on the violence, or to his films being “unfocused” or “too sprawling” are not seeing the forest from the trees.

    No film maker has explored the nature of narrative in quite the way Tarantino has.

  136. VVS
    January 14, 2013

    Not digging Chastain winning for her 2 dimensional performance in ZDT….

    Leo and Joaquin robbed, smh

    good on Affleck recognizing that none of them are in PTA’s league.

    Quentin’s win, ehh…the script is really uneven…the middle is boring, the end is too long, and the tonality is very off balance….he shouldve won for Bastards, although i dont remember whether he did or not.

  137. Nic V
    January 14, 2013

    Nik G

    That’s really not an accurate statement about my regard for Argo. I think Argo was one of the best of the year and if I were ranking it as I said in my post it would be in my top five. I think after taking a lot of crap over the J lo thing and then making some bad choices with films like Pearl Harbor and the Bruce Willis sci-fi thing that we didn’t realize what he was doing. He made reference to that time in his career last night in his acceptance speech. Smart man. Make some cash and make the films you want. Ben actually reminds me of John Cassavetes a bit just a little bit more literate and perhaps not so out of the box as Cassavetes if you will. Lincoln is still my choice as best film this year. Trust me on this I’m glad it was Affleck last night, either he or Ang Lee. So I have a great deal of regard for Argo and Affleck.

  138. Bryce Forestieri
    January 14, 2013

    Haha funny…

    Oscar for Best Original Screenplay is between AMOUR and DJANGO UNCHAINED. I love it, both movies are in my personal top 5 of the year. Nobody else has a chance in hell. I’d be down with Wes Anderson being an Academy awards winner, but to my stupid mind -and yeah I’m not as smart as the Django detractors- ZERO DARK THIRTY would be 4th if I had to rank the “worthiness” of the 5 screenplays.

  139. Casey
    January 14, 2013

    Best moments:

    1. Jodi Foster (in full)
    2. Glenn Close as drunk lady
    3. Wiig and Farrell (I loved it)
    4. Haneke win and speech
    5. Chastains Speech
    6. Producer of Les Mis shutting down Anne Hathaway
    7. Tina and Amy in full
    8. Darcy McFudge
    9. Everything involving Quentin
    10. Amy and George

  140. Casey
    January 14, 2013

    Adding to list: Lena and the girls

  141. Lynne
    January 14, 2013

    I’m waiting for the moment: Anne Hathaway, Julia Roberts, Gwyneth Paltrow star in a movie together as three leading ladies, with Katherine Heigl and Lea Michele as the supporting actresses. The world/internet would explode!

  142. Ellen
    January 14, 2013

    @Nic V : « I Beat Meryl » = JLaw actually referencing a line from ‘First Wives Club,’ an old comedy movie.

  143. January 14, 2013

    Ryab Adams — I bet if a commenter used this word they would’ve been banned.

    you’d lose that bet. it’s all about context, and in this context I’m only making reference to the word itself, not aiming the word to inflict injury. I’m sure you can see the difference between saying “we don’t approve of readers calling each other cunts,” as opposed to me throwing the word at someone myself.

    I’m not afraid of the word. It just bores me.

    and don’t call me Ryab

  144. m1
    January 14, 2013

    At least their technical skills are on a par and worthy.

    Oh, please. Aliens is MUCH better than Alien and Prometheus combined. At least Cameron didn’t make that godawful Robin Hood movie in 2010.

  145. Bryce Forestieri
    January 14, 2013

    Alien > Anything and everything by Cameron, and I like some Camerons

  146. Mattoc
    January 14, 2013

    Alien is tighter than a nun’s nasty, Aliens is bloated. Still like it though.

  147. Alper
    January 14, 2013

    Argo = The Social Network

    Thank God! Argo has no chance at the Oscar :)

  148. January 14, 2013

    Nic V.

    Alright, nice! I’m happy to hear that from a big Lincoln fan :)

  149. Mattoc
    January 14, 2013

    On the other hand, Pirahna II: The Flying Killers is better than Gladiator

  150. January 14, 2013

    Ryan, completelly agree whit you about Django’ s screenplay.
    The worst of five nominees, by far.
    This, Brave as Animated Film and the predictable award for redicule Les Mis was great Golden Globe mistakes this year.

  151. jess4Linc
    January 14, 2013

    Not writing off “Lincoln” by any means as I am thinking it will be embraced more so by the Academy than it has being from film critics but I am thinking this OSCAR show is moving toward a “Chariot of Fire” finally. Instead in this case the surprise might be “The Life of Pi”. The reaction of those present on viewing “The Life of Pi” clip as best film was obvious. We like this film a lot.

  152. January 14, 2013

    Anyway, Tarantino won’ t win for screenplay.
    Haneke has this one in his bag.

  153. rufussondheim
    January 14, 2013

    I want more details on the Spielberg/Clinton connection! I know that they go way back so it’s not surprising if this tasty gossip is true.

    But I think (if it is true) it speaks loud and clear about Spielberg and confirms so much of what I think about him.

  154. jess4Linc
    January 14, 2013

    “Django Unchained” rocks. It deserved both awards. Hate all you want but it won’t change one damn thing. This said, I don’t think Tarantino will get the OSCAR for the film for screenplay but I do think Christoph Waltz has a great chance of picking up the best supporting actor award. I suppose I could dump on films like “The Master” but its just not worth my time.

  155. Alper
    January 14, 2013

    Anne Hathaway’s short hair cut = just bad

    Jodie Foster’s speech = perfect

    Nicole Kidman’s full botox face = good job.

    Ben Affleck’s director award = hopeless and tragic .

    Daniel Day Lewis = legend.

  156. KT
    January 14, 2013

    Rufus: The connection was confirmed by Deadline Hollywood – http://www.deadline.com/2013/01/bill-clinton-golden-globes-surprise-steven-spielberg-lincoln/

    Quite desperate if you ask me, to have a former president come and try to convince everyone how important and timely Lincoln is. I quite honestly think this ticked some people off. It was pretty funny to see Spielberg’s reactions to losing director and picture.

  157. mecid
    January 14, 2013

    They are friends, rufus.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/custom/clinton_a.jpg

    coming to his appearance it was slap to Weinstein!

  158. Someone
    January 14, 2013

    Affleck doesn’t deserve to win anything for ARGO – so thank God that he won’t win Academy Award for best director (at least, because best picture is probably still possible – let’s hope NOT!). BFCA and HFPA didn’t reward him because he’s the best but because they thought (when they voted) that he’s the frontrunner and they wanted to “foresee” his victory.
    Now it’s probably Steven Spielberg to lose. Also – undeserving victory, to say the least.
    Lee, Haneke or even Zeitlin deserve Oscar far more than those two.

  159. Patrick
    January 14, 2013

    manrico1967:
    “I am calling it right now: Ben Affleck will win the DGA.
    In 1985 Steven Spielberg was nominated for the DGA for The Color Purple.
    When the Oscar nominations came out, the movie got 11 nominations but Spielberg got left out.
    The Color Purple was Spielberg’s first “serious” movie. So, him getting snubbed by the Oscars got a lot of people talking.
    It was speculated that the DGA might give him the award as a response to the academy’s perceived slight. Spielberg did win the DGA that year.”

    I completely agree. And the same thing happened to Ron Howard with Apollo 13. These are the only 2 times that the DGA winner did not receive an Oscar directing nod. And these DGA wins were considered “consolation prizes”, since neither ended up taking home Best Picture.

  160. tina
    January 14, 2013

    Lynne, I couldn’t agree more. Anne Hathaway cannot win. The poor lady cannot catch a break. Quentin Tarantino gives his typical self-righteous and ungracious speech -people eat it up and love him. Anne choosing to give a gracious, well-spoken, and highly intelligent speech with the utmost respect to Sally Field. And, Hathaway is deemed as a big phony with a fake speech. It is so sad we live in a society that continues to bash women- just tear them the shreds. I continue to read Nikki Finke bash women- especially Oprah Winfrey. Nikki is the ultimate mean girl and a coward for hiding her identity. Howard Stern trashes Lena Dunham for her weight and her talents Now, more than ever, it is much harder to be a female in Hollywood. They have to deal with so much ridiculousness.

  161. Patrick
    January 14, 2013

    Just imagine if Argo overcomes the same obstacles that Spielberg had with The Color Purple, whilst beating Spielberg’s frontrunner Lincoln:

    In 1986:
    Academy says to Spielberg: “Snubbed directors can’t win Best Picture”.

    In 2013:
    Academy says to Spielberg: “No wait, snubbed directors CAN win Best Picture, that’s if they’re up against YOU.”

    Ouch.

  162. Goodvibe61
    January 14, 2013

    I have to agree about the comments regarding Tarantino’s acceptance speeches. They always come off awkward and not very well thought out. Obviously he doesn’t prepare! On th other hand, canned acceptance speeches have a tendency to suck, being nothing short of a laundry list of monotonous thank yous.

    I didn’t get a whiff of anything but grace and humility from Hathaway last night. The moment with Field seemed quite genuine and our group watching it felt nothing but class coming from her. I think it’s nitpicking.

  163. jess4Linc
    January 14, 2013

    @Tina.

    Tarantino has nothing to lose so he can be loose and flipent. His film box office is already a winner for him. The only reason I would give Anne Hathaway a vote, if I was voting which I am not , for “Les Miserables”, which outside of one number she is nowhere to be found in this flick, is because she could have easily being nominated for “The Dark Knight Rises” and probably would still be a frontrunner for that role.

  164. January 14, 2013

    Now, more than ever, it is much harder to be a female in Hollywood. They have to deal with so much ridiculousness.

    I think you just have to look at Kathryn Bigelow and Jessica Chastain to know that being a female in Hollywood, isn’t so hard as it used to be. Times are definitely changing, and I don’t think those people who say that Hathaway is phony say it because she’s a woman, but because she just comes off as a little phony – her speech was prepared and memorized obviously so maybe that’s why. I was honestly happy to see her win because she was easily one of the best things about Les Miz.

    As for Tarantino, I honestly don’t think he expected to win..so he didn’t prepare. Felt normal to me, thanking his actors, his competition seemed pretty classy to me (not everyone does that) and he comes off as an arrogant prick sometimes but I’m not sure he means to. It’s just his way. Kind of like how Hathaway comes off as phony to some people?

    You’re reading a little too much into this, is what I’m saying.

  165. jess4Linc
    January 14, 2013

    Just did a little research on the best pic nominees for OSCAR. Here is hoping the Academy pick up some points..

    RT…
    Argo……..96%
    Amour…..93%
    ZDT………92%
    Lincoln….91%
    SLP……….91%
    Django…..89%
    Life of Pi..89%
    Beasts…..86%
    Les Mis….70%

  166. jess4Linc
    January 14, 2013

    Over at the metacritic site..

    ZDT………95%
    Amour……93%
    Lincoln….86%
    Argo………86%
    Beasts…..86%
    Django…..81%
    SLP……….81%
    Life of Pi..81%
    Les Mis…..63%

  167. Bryce Forestieri
    January 14, 2013

    You guys think Tim Hooper might have a chance to win as a write-in??
    I mean what the fuck did LES MIZ direct itself?!

  168. Tina
    January 14, 2013

    Nik G, I am not reading more into this situation. I am not talking about career. I am talking about their image and their actions-everything has to be flawless and non-threatening. There are so many expectations on female entertainers- the way they talk, dress, behave, etc… Most men are not subjected to these standards. What is wrong with having a prepared speech, when the speech is very good-like Anne Hathaway’s speech ? What is wrong with completing the elder of the group ? Tarantino is gifted, but he also has a strong sense of entitlement. Because he is a man that makes him cool and charismatic. Give me a break. I just get tired of the double standards , and the disrespect the females receive.

  169. rufussondheim
    January 14, 2013

    mecid, I know they go way back. I said that in my originial post on the subject.

    But Spielberg should have quashed the idea (You know Clinton wasn’t, he’s an attention whore) simply out of a sense of decency and humility. I can understand getting someone the stature of Clinton, if this were Kennedy Center Honors or something prestigious.

    But this is a fucking awards show, for movies. Having an outsized guest introduce your film is nothing but attention-seeking BS, an attempt to grab headlines that other films can’t.

    (on a side note, I would have been thrilled if it had played out differently. Imagine Clinton saying “you know, Steve, I liked your film, a lot. But the real important film is Zero Dark Thirty. I spent so much unsung effort pursuing bin Laden and it’s my greatest regret that I did not kill him in my attempts to do so. As a former commander-in-chief I think it’s my responsibility to highlight the efforts of our military in accomplishing a goal that many had begun to think was out of reach. Maybe next time.”)

  170. Tony
    January 14, 2013

    @ Julian the Emperor

    “Tony: You don’t strike me as a person qualified to express an opinion on whether or not Riva’s career is “unremarkable”. Ignorance is bliss.”

    Julian, you don’t strike me as a person qualified to express an opinion on whether or not I am qualified to express an opinion on Riva’s career.

    I may not be Roger Ebert or the late Pauline Kael, but I am not ignorant. I have purchased nearly 4000 films; I have watched all of them and several hundred more. Riva was great in “Amour,” but her CV was rather thin, even among French actresses only. Consider: Simone Signoret, Danielle Darrieux, Jeanne Moreau, Simone Simon, (honorary Frenchwoman) Anna Karina, Catherine Deneuve, Isabel Adjani, Natalie Baye, Fanny Ardant, Isabelle Huppert and many others who are either dead or at least 50 years old. She barely surpasses Josette Day (“La Belle et La Bete” and “Les Parents Terribles”).

  171. Nic Cage
    January 14, 2013

    It’s like entering the Twilight Zone when reading these comments.

    The gushing for Jodie baffles me, and there seem to be minimal acknowledgement of how her disorganized speech bordered on crazy (yes, she was sincere and had a strong point to make, albeit unclear and possibly hypocritical). You have to admit it was kind of a weird mess.

  172. Tony
    January 14, 2013

    Btw, Julian, if you were to see some of the rare gems in that collection, you’d immediately join the small group of men capable of having multiple orgasms.

  173. January 14, 2013

    I agree with el laurens.

    I think the Globes really spread the wealth and the race for Oscar begins right now. Last night told us nothing. I’m not sure that it ever does. Everyone had a great time watching the show last night. Every movie was represented by smiling happy people. I see no reason why the members of the Academy won’t feel free to vote for who they like. There’s no “right” answer today.

    It’ll be interesting for me to see who does press in the coming weeks and if that has a role to play in it. I see some people listed for talk shows. I think Affleck said ARGO is being re-released when he was on Leno last week. So I think this second leg of the race could be the whole race.

  174. Jerry
    January 14, 2013

    The best part of Anne Hathaway’s speech was Sally Field’s bitch face skeptism while she spoke. Sally doesn’t suffer fools easily and she saw right through Anne’s fake modesty and attempt to use her to get a pat on the back. Hilarious! Go Sally.

    ——————-
    Best joke of the evening the James Cameron/Kathryn Bigelow torture joke. I’ve never seen Bigelow laugh that hard. Her entire table was fling all over themselves with laughter.

    ————————
    Best speeches of the night from Adele, Daniel Day-Lewis, Jennifer Lawrence and Jodie Foster.

  175. January 14, 2013

    Wish I could read all the comments on this thread, but I don’t have the time. :(

    I just want to say if this season has taught me anything it’s that I almost don’t care about “trying to predict correctly” anymore. I hope this season will elevate me to being more aware of trends, picking up nuances, caring less about who wins, and just making smart observations.

  176. Yvette
    January 14, 2013

    ‘Quite desperate if you ask me, to have a former president come and try to convince everyone how important and timely Lincoln is. I quite honestly think this ticked some people off. It was pretty funny to see Spielberg’s reactions to losing director and picture.’
    K.,
    It’s a bit sad when people have to be reminded that Lincoln is timely and important or relevant. If you can be cynical enough to dismiss it, good for you. But your loss.

  177. January 14, 2013

    FWIW:
    Prometheus > Alien3/Alien Resurrection

    That being said, what Aliens cribs from the the blueprints of Alien,, while Cameron distracts us with WEAPONS!, it makes up for in Sigourney Weaver’s performance, her relationship with Newt, her chemistry with Michael Biehn, and the themes of camaraderie in the face of indeterminate adversity. Cameron bugs, but Aliens is a work of art. It’s beautiful. Alien = Aliens in terms of quality. You can’t have Aliens without Alien. But, without Alien, Aliens is a stand-alone movie unto itself. If that makes sense.

    But, let’s face it, Ridley Scott and James Cameron both made their best films at the beginning to the middle of their career. But, Cameron certainly didn’t help his case by transforming into/revealing himself as a douche.

    That torture barb from Fey was delicious. Her and Poehler actually schooled Gervais on having your cake and eating it two. Ricky who?

  178. Yvette
    January 14, 2013

    ‘Bizarre hate is definitely an overstatement and an exaggeration. I guess it’s my subconscious defaulting into overdrive after the comments from Yvette and Nic V, who are not showing “hate” but definitely a very dejected, sad, disappointed and confused attitude. None of which I understand.’

    Nik G.,
    It’s this: I liked Argo, alot. It was well-made, well-acted etc…
    But it is not in the same class as Lincoln, ZD30, Pi, Beasts. I admit Lincoln is the film of the year for me for many reasons – most of which have little to do with critics and awards. But I also loved the above mentioned films – and Argo, by comparison, is slight. In another year, Argo might be the film worth rooting for…but not this year, not with Speilberg, Lee and even Tarantino releasing seminal work. Affleck is affable and Hollywood loves its actor-directors…especially press people. It’s a love fest for who is popular – because all the things some accuse Spielberg of – ‘feel-good’, ‘formulaic’, ‘everybody-loves-it’ …..is what Argo is.
    I would be happy for Lincoln/KB to split the wins at the Oscars – because both those films have something to say, they mean something. If that’s cornball or old fashioned…to some film bloggers and press journalists – so be it. But many more are seeing it and getting it.
    Argo is entertaining and casts Hollywood is a heroic light – and let’s face it…Hollywood loves that.
    But, IMO, it lacks a certain auteur-esque elegance. But it wins because it’s pleasant. I think some of us just think its not Best Picture material. And it’s riding a swell of good will…..
    While the more bold films are on the outside looking in.

  179. KT
    January 14, 2013

    Yvette said: It’s a bit sad when people have to be reminded that Lincoln is timely and important or relevant. If you can be cynical enough to dismiss it, good for you. But your loss.

    I completely agree with you!! I’m shouldn’t have came off as dismissing Lincoln in the slightest. I think it’s really sad that Spielberg and his Dreamworks team feel the need to beat to death the film, it’s relevance and importance. I think the movie should speak for itself. I’m just saying the over-campaigning could actually increase resentment and Lincoln fatigue, as I think it did last night, and cost Spielberg potential major wins at the Oscars. He is making it too obvious that he really wants his film to be recognized…and that’s never a smart move from the standpoint of a voter.

  180. Yvette
    January 14, 2013

    ‘I’m just saying the over-campaigning could actually increase resentment and Lincoln fatigue, as I think it did last night, and cost Spielberg potential major wins at the Oscars. He is making it too obvious that he really wants his film to be recognized…and that’s never a smart move from the standpoint of a voter.’
    KT,
    As opposed to Harvey Weinsein, Clooney, and every producer/director during Oscar season?
    Everyone campaigns for their films, everyone…..don’t be fooled by the ‘campaigning-is-beneath-me bs…
    People are proud of their films – and the Harveys want to reap the benefits of people proud of their films. Clooney, Affleck are going to ride this ‘snub’ thing for all its worth. Clooney is a master of schmooze and promotion. Look at Ann Dowd and other campaign of the past, look at the whole ‘for your consideration’ pieces by celebrities helping their buddies out….it is what it is…
    But if the film/performance is worthy – I could care less.

  181. KT
    January 14, 2013

    No, not every producer and director. Do you see Kathryn Bigelow and Ang Lee, two of the most humble and talented filmmakers, going around and calling President Clinton up to present their films at televised awards ceremonies? Maybe more aggressive action would’ve gotten Bigelow nominated. Sure they do quiet campaigning like most people do, but it is usually frowned upon when a person makes it overtly clear to the voting body how badly they want to win. Perfect example that is always cited: Look at Jason Reitman just a few years ago, when he lost the screenplay award he was basically guaranteed to win.

    Over-campaigning can ruin a person or a film’s chances and I think that’s what COULD happen here. I’m not sure the overpackaged screener with a bound script and soundtrack, the 1.5-hour Oprah interview, going to Washington to get support (when Zero Dark Thirty doesn’t have any), etc. etc….I just think booking the former president was another poor move by the Dreamworks team. REMEMBER: who are you more inclined to favor…the huge Goliath movie filled with previous Oscar-winners and prestige material, or a smaller picture that has also succeeded though is seen more as an underdog, a David?? We’ve seen this happen at the Oscars time after time. Harvey knows how to position a movie–and that is key! They like to reward people who have never won before, who aren’t expecting ANYTHING. There is absolutely NO DOUBT that Spielberg’s move last night has left a bad stink…see the Deadline Hollywood link I provided earlier and the comments. I’m only emphasizing that I’d hate to see moves like this kill Lincoln’s Oscar chances.

  182. Chris
    January 14, 2013

    I am glad to see that someone else appreciated Jodi Foster’s speech as much as I did because a lot of people are saying that it was rambling and confusing. You are exactly right about how there was something real in it that cut through all of the hype of the awards and left you considering life in general. I nearly missed the show because I was working late at DISH last night, but thankfully I was able to catch up with PrimeTime Anytime. I love how I don’t have to worry about setting timers for special events like this because my DISH Hopper records everything during primetime on the four major networks. I am glad that I caught it because I think that it was the best awards show we have had in ages thanks to Tina, Amy and Jodi.

  183. January 14, 2013

    Anyone who thinks Jodie Foster’s speech was confusing is confused. Anyone who thinks she was drunk has never been drunk. A speech that carries such powerful impact doesn’t happen by accident stumbling up on stage in a drunken rambling fog.

    Here’s the Guardian’s impression. Many of us love how the loose structure spilled out with careful casual balance. I don’t understand how some people can listen to that 6-minute soliloquy and not appreciate how deftly Foster unpacks her feelings to reveal deeper and deeper of layers of emotion. I feel sad for anyone who doesn’t see it.

  184. Yvette
    January 14, 2013

    KT,
    So you’re offended that Lincoln is being promoted? By it’s makers? Maybe they’re just proud of the film. It’s a passion project – and filmmakers, actors etc…generally push certain of their films more than others. So a film about a great American icon should be just a low-key affair? It’s a big film, and it’s getting the attention it deserved. Spielberg has held special screenings for students, teachers…..congress requested a special screening. KT, did it ever occur to you that maybe the film – because of it’s subject matter – warrants all the push Spielberg is giving it. DDL is hardly a Hollywood ass-kisser, one-of-the-boys etc…and he is beyond inspired by his experience making the film…its a passion project for all involved….

    And it deserves the attention it is receiving.
    As for Oscar campaigns, don’t think for minute Lee or KB are going to low and let “the film speak for itself” – that’s absurd….and naive.
    Spielberg just has the bigger name, and some seem to resent that.

  185. Yvette
    January 14, 2013

    ‘I don’t understand how some people can listen to that 6-minute soliloquy and not appreciate how deftly Foster unpacks her feelings to reveal deeper and deeper of layers of emotion. I feel sad for anyone who doesn’t see it.’

    Ryan,
    I think there are those who are just cynical and jaded. Or they’ve been so desensitized by online hipster snark they have a hard time recognizing something real. Just like some here put their own projections onto an actor’s reaction shot when they lose, or suspect less-than-sincere motives…..It’s sad.

  186. veronica lake
    January 14, 2013

    Jerry, I disagree. I felt Sally Field was moved by Anne’s speech.

    Yvette, I completely agree about people being cynical and jaded. Jodie gave a very complex and provocative speech, Hathaway respected and honored a veteran, Jennifer Lawrence’s crack about Meryl Streep, and their are people who complain about their speeches. If you notice the speeches that people complained about were given by women. That is not surprising-not one bit.

  187. KT
    January 14, 2013

    Yvette, I think you’re missing my points. I am definitely not naive in my analysis. I think I provided plenty of concrete examples backing my thoughts. And I’m not offended at all–I’m just trying to explain why passionate across-the-board support may not exist for Lincoln. There is a clear difference between promoting a film and over-campaigning it, overemphasizing its importance to the Academy. Does being an “important” film automatically put it at the top of Oscar ballots? I worry because I think that will turn off people, whether its a passion project or not. Oscar loves underdogs and rewarding people who have not won before, as I said. Let’s wait and see what will happen when the Producer’s Guild is announced and indicates industry sentiment.

  188. Neal
    January 14, 2013

    Do you edit your posts? Noticing a few typos

  189. Yvette
    January 15, 2013

    KT.,

    Trust me – I get you’re point. It sucks, I know….Lincoln is being shoved down our collective throat and who are they to try and manipulate us into thinking it’s an important work. Welcome to the age of resistance and snark. That’s the real issues here to me.

    Seems to bother you that Lincoln is – horror of horrors – a film that takes itself and subject seriously and its makers are promoting it as such etc… Wow, imagine that? I think the view stems from the film’s absolute commitment to unabashed passion. The detractors’ criticisms are so wildly unrelated to what is actually on the screen that it makes some think that perhaps the film is too cerebral, too nuanced and non-linear that many cannot see beyond the wigs and funny way they talk. And I don’t get this ‘noble’, ‘reverent’ crap as a criticism. As if Spielberg and Co. are silly to make a serious film about a transformational figure and chapter in American history. Would you have preferred an irreverent look at AL and the abolishing of slavery? With a ‘cooler’ soundtrack and fast, slashing cuts?

    As I mentioned, Spielberg premiered his film for a group of students and teachers, not press or critics. Because those were the people he made it for. As for some here making these sweeping blanket statements about how people ‘respect’ but do not ‘love it’ – How would you know that? From the HFPA? Ha… Really?

    I also loved ZD30, Beasts and Pi , but the smug dismissive nature of the Lincoln detractors is so emphatic that it seems like steadfast resistance…. of what I’m not sure. Seriousness? It was inevitable and I knew that before they even started filming… Because that is the nature of our ADD culture: Sasha anticipated it beautifully in her piece, ‘Selling a True Hero In the Age of Snark,’ before its release.

    The detractors think they’re being intellectually above-it-all when it’s actually so predictable. It reeks of an anti-intellectual cynicism. And it is hard not to suggest that the subject matter does require a level of deep familiarity …without it one may miss the complexities. I’ve seen the film four times and discover something different each time. Which makes me wonder if some of the detractors were just too impatient to experience film on an intellectual level. I know, that’s condescending, but it may also be true and you don’t even know it. It’s easier to simply dismiss the surface of the film.

  190. Yvette
    January 15, 2013

    The above post is littered with typos I know, but iPhones are not meant for spontaneous rants…

  191. rufussondheim
    January 15, 2013

    Yvette, what did you think about Once Upon a Time in Anatolia?

  192. January 15, 2013

    Win or lose, and I still believe it will win, Lincoln is a “forever” film. Even in this amazing year for film, Lincoln is decidedly the best of the year. A masterful film created by some of the best in the business based on major work of history. You can’t ask for more than that from a film. Of course, I do believe Jackman deserves Best Actor at least until Day-Lewis learns to sing and dance as well as act brilliantly.

  193. joe
    January 15, 2013

    I felt tommy lee jones was moved by presenters will farrell and sofia vegra when they were talking funny about the best actress nominees for motion picture musical or comedy

  194. joe
    January 15, 2013

    Daniel day lewis is such a good actor. This is his third time winning the globe. Tom hanks is the only other actor to win big for castaway, forrest gump and phildalephia

  195. rufussondheim
    January 15, 2013

    Jamie says “A masterful film created by some of the best in the business based on major work of history. You can’t ask for more than that from a film.”

    I say, “Yes you can.”

    And then I suggest going to see Zero Dark Thirty.

  196. joe
    January 15, 2013

    Les miserables deserved it’s awards it won for.form

  197. ALAIN Vezina
    January 15, 2013

    I am happy than Ben Aflleck won the globe best director, but I am happier than he was not nominated for the Oscar. Can I remain to his fans, the best prize for film in the USA is The National Society of Film Critics: this year the winner was Hanneke, the second Bigelow and Wes Anderson. The Golden Globes are a super commercial prize: They even gave nominations for so bad films (The Tourist). The list of songs nominated, except for Skyfall, are excrutating.The only thingthere are preoccupied to invite the Stars (and they are mixing television with films.) Last year Dustin Hoffman looked so bored, this year it was Tommy Lee Jones. Some of the speeches are genuine, like Adele. I prefer much the Oscars, people who are voting know the business of their fields, writing, music, directing, editing not a incompetent journalists.

  198. joe
    January 15, 2013

    My favorite speech of the night came from daniel day lewis. He thanked his fellow actors nominees. And talked briefly on how profound it was to play ,Lincoln.

  199. jess4Linc
    January 15, 2013

    “”Imagine Clinton saying “you know, Steve, I liked your film, a lot. But the real important film is Zero Dark Thirty. I spent so much unsung effort pursuing bin Laden and it’s my greatest regret that I did not kill him in my attempts to do so.””

    Well, Clinton would have never said the comments above because if he did he would be one lying hypocrite. Probably is already but according to history Bill Clinton had the chance to capture BIN LADEN at least four times and each time he personally let him get away.

  200. rufussondheim
    January 15, 2013
  201. rufussondheim
    January 15, 2013

    I’m not sure what other times FOX news claims Clinton fucked up, so if you could illuminate me, I’d be appreciative.

  202. rufussondheim
    January 15, 2013

    OK, I did my research and found two former CIA agents who, on separate occasions claimed Clinton passed on an opportunity. Both Michael Sheuer and Hank Crumpton discuss times that the CIA could have killed bin Laden.

    Yes, I agree there were opportunities as there were times they knew where they were, but they lacked the capabilities to kill him. It’s fine and dandy to say “Look, here he is in this caravan” but how does that translate into a military strike? First off he was in a country where we were not at war so bombing them would cause all sorts of international issues. Second, there would be all sorts of domestic issues. It’s not like Osama bin Laden was a household name. Third, just because they knew where he was, does not mean we could have done it successfully. These things take time. Fourth, the leads may not have been credible enough.

    We do know that Clinton ordered strikes against Osama bin Laden in August of 1998 in Afghanistan and it failed by a few hours. He was roundly criticized as trying to deflect attention away from the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

    So, if you want to recall things correctly, Republicans cared far more about Monica Lewinsky than Osama bin Laden.

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