The Lincoln page on Facebook just posted this beautiful still. In a few days we will know what people think of Lincoln because it’s just been outed as the secret screening at the New York Film Fest. Keep in mind, though, that when Hugo hit the NYFF as the surprise screening reactions to it were mixed. It took its being screened here in LA for buzz on that to turn around. We’ll know soon enough how that festival crowd responds.
Russ
You say you’re trying to have conversations and I’m sorry but it seems to me that you’re like an old college professors who seems to believe he has two hundred students in a room and is giving a lecture. I can’t remember a post about Lincoln where your response even gives the author of the original post any credit for knowing anything and that the same author my have a viable or even credible premise. It seems to me that with you it’s more like “it’s your way or the highway”. You’re obviously intelligent but your posts and comments talk down to people and not to them. That’s not a conversation.
i am REALLY looking forward to this. Spielberg has given us so many terrific experiences over the years. if this works, and isn’t just a dry, morality lesson wrapped in period costumes like AMISTAD, then it could be fantastic. love Lewis. he’s such a gifted performer. someone mentioned their favorite DDL performance here. mine is THE CRUCIBLE, which by the actor’s own admission is his favorite role. what a film that was and how ignored it was and still is…despite great reviews. it won BAFTA’s but Oscar was looking elsewhere. i thought at the time that it was the only movie in recent history with a shot at winning all four acting categories for DDL, Winona Ryder, Joan Allen and Paul Scofield. oh well. onto Abe.
You sre right Ryan,
I just posted this to show how his words are opposite to each other. Because this message is everywhere on the web an and I don’t want anyone to accept this serious.
And Ryan,
The guy on Gold Derby who predicts which film will win is just one of the “anonymous dumbasses” as Sasha said.
He said this last year:
http://www.goldderby.com/films/news/2646/gold-derby-mystery-our-oscars-predix-champ-snuggle4-will-not-come-out.html
“My philosophy on picking winners is easy – don’t listen to bloggers and JUST SEE THE FILMS! Down to the last nominated documentary short. Listen to industry buzz, but pay no mind to film critics or you’ll be Social Networked right out of contention”
He says you must see all films to the last. It means he has seen all contenders this year? Of course he is not. guy is just fan of Les Mis.
mecid, we don’t need to listen to any anonymous guy telling us who we shouldn’t listen to.
I think I speak for a lot of the regulars here when I say that I don’t particularly care what the original topic of the thread is after the first 24 hours or so of its existence. I comment on the posts that have come before. In other words, I try to have a conversation. So I may be off-topic with the original post, but I’m on topic with the 5 to 10 posts that come before mine.
I will comment on this still now, though, since I have six minutes to waste. First off, I can’t take the still too seriously since it’s the wrong ratio.
Secondly, it’s strange that in a world that’s been technologically transformed in the past 150 years, one of the few things that haven’t been changed by technology is horses. I mean, there still are blacksmiths who will put horseshoes on your horse’s hooves. Saddle and bridles are still constructed and function the same way they were for hundreds of years now. It’s really kind of surprising when you think about it.
it’s strange that in a world that’s been technologically transformed in the past 150 years, one of the few things that haven’t been changed by technology is horses.
no technological advancement can improve the basic sturdy efficacy of horses and blowjobs
Yeah Ryan,
Of course, we should respect everyone’s opininon. But it is good to be neutral towards film yhat you haven’t see, is not it? If case is to trash everything in spite of your aim then it is so easy. If we do that we lose respect.
Actually, mecid, I’m in neither the Lincoln camp nor the Les Mis camp, at least until I’ve seen them. I don’t pre-judge; rather I base my interest on the previous efforts of the director and cast. Since neither Spielberg nor Hooper really excite me, I’m certainly not going to call a race between for either at this point. The lack of excitement does not equal hate. Hate requires some kind of passionate feelings and I have none for most of the work these guys have turned out lately.
I threw in the “snuggles” clip from Gold Derby to show how silly this whole prediction game is. It’s equivalent to getting lottery numbers from a previous winner, except that in a situation where voting is concerned, an assumed “winner” can get momentum from voters who like to be on the winning side.
Last year I was Shame/Drive/Tree of Lifer, this year I have seen, so far, only two worthy candidates – The Master and Beasts. I’m looking forward to Argo, Pi and Cloud Atlas – but Lincoln and Les Mis, at this point, aren’t giving off the right pheromones for me.
A lot of people love chocolate; it’s OK, but I prefer vanilla. I don’t hate chocolate, enjoy it once in awhile, but I don’t get hard anticipating it. Doesn’t mean I’m a chocolate-hater.
Thank you Mattoc,
I really don’t want to “fight” with someone here. My main problem is that same people often enter threads and begin to show their hate against unreleased movies. It is not fair, is not it? If you don’t love Spielberg, it means Lincoln gonna be crap?
or why they post same nonsense in every thread?
We will go nowhere with that mind.
Mecid
I also read every single post and have a fucking good memory. And I can say that none of you are trolls. I see troll like behavior from time to time, but there’s a fine line between passion and what some people consider to be troll-like.
It all comes down to value, and I can easily say that Steve50, Rufussondhem and yourself have added value to many a post.
Disagree with their opinions as they will yours if that what you believe.
Wherever I go it always comes down to fanaticism. What is wrong with people? Different forum, completely different subject and yet there is this same old bickering between two sides. I thought the intelligence level of AD was slightly higher than most other forums and that may very well be true but I guess it’s in our nature. We must choose a side and attack the other to bring it down until our team wins.
Les Mis – Lincoln fights are going to be EPIC (looking forward to it). Better than Streep – Davis. But maybe we should see the films first.
And I checked that snuggle. It is clear he or she is Les Mis fan.
Yeah. All fans of other contenders see Lincoln as main threat and try to underestimate it. It is clear they will trash it after its release whether film will be great or not, or whether they will see it or not.
I think it is time to establish “Worldwide Anti-Troll Community”.
Apparently it goes both ways. Les Mis threrads have Lincoln stuff in it – in a negative way. Stolen from Gold Derby:
“Richard
@Henry. Les Miserables will take this easily, and even if it doesn’t which I doubt, it’s not going to be Lincoln. I believe you really need to see the film to get what I’m talking about, but anyways long story short, I saw it 2 weeks ago, and god is it boring. It just drags on, and not even the Oscar worthy performances of Tommy Lee Jones, and Daniel Day Lewis, the former being slightly better than the latter. (There, I said it, please don’t kill me, lol) Sally Field is quite remarkable as well, but none of that, and not even the fairly good script can save the film. It’s too long, too much of it is indoors, it’s too stuffy, and it’s just boring. I think that it had the potential to be a ridiculously good, American History masterpiece, but it is just boring. And, despite this being right up the Academy’s alley, it’ll get a nomination for BP, and possibly even BD but that I’m doubting. However, it isn’t either engaging enough, or emotional enough to win.”
I don’t know what to say about Les Mis fans. Why are they so hateful and do they really see Lincoln as such a huge threat that they just have to badmouth it? Argo should win all the main prizes and TDKR some of the lesser ones to show those musical-fags where art stands.
Seeing Rocky Horror next Saturday. Gonna dress up a bit.
It has been cool to hate him for some 20 years… After Schindler/Jurassic -year it started.
I’m a lover.
“Attacking someone for expressing his opinion = not cool.”
*********
But it is cool to hate Spielberg, yeah?
Oh, I forgot that troll Steve50. Hey, if you like Les Mis, why you post it here, on Lincoln thread?
“Forget all tis Lincoln nonsense because the race has been called and it’s all over:
(from Gold Derby)”
Ha, one man predicts movie that hasn’t seen it or other upcoming movies?
Understand baby, this Oscar race isn’t like prevoius races. It is the most unpredictable year probably.
Thanks, Mattoc. I almost said something similar when I got home last night but was too sleepy to put it into words. Nobody on this page is a troll. Some readers have a style of expressing opinions sharply with words that have bite; doesn’t make that reader a troll.
For example, right there, mecid. Steve50 is being droll. He doesn’t believe the guy at Gold Derby who’s already claiming the race is over. Steve50 is mocking that guy and scorning the habit of calling the Oscars so early. He’s scoffing at Gold Derby. But he’s doing it with words that jab and, taken at face value, pointed phrasing can sometimes rub the wrong way.
Your style is not so abrasive, mecid, and we respect you for that gentler attitude. Other readers have a style with a splash of acid and we have to respect that attitude too, yeah?
Rufus, you may be right. Les Mis might win, but why talk it over and over in threads about Lincoln? You think it’s power? That’s not power. “Rufus – The Good?”
I will start being extremely mean to people from now on… My turn.
I’ve been saying it all along steve. Not because I want it to be the winner, but because I think it will be. I was a naysayer until the Anne Hathaway trailer, but as soon as I saw it, I knew it was the odds-on favorite.
The only question I have at this point is if the group numbers will be good. We’ve not heard one second of those vocals. If “One Day More” doesn’t work, then I think the film won’t work. But if they pull that complex number off then I think it’s an easy prediction. The movie just has everything an Oscar Voter wants in a movie. And it will have mass appeal. If it works, very few people will be against this film.
Snuggle is Stephen Holt?
“Have you read anything negative thing written by me on blog?”
@mecid – yes – that last post of your is probably the most negative thing I’ve read in a long time. Attacking someone for expressing his opinion = not cool. Presenting evidence and giving examples that allows one to present a side of a debate is not “trolling” – it’s called intelligent conversation.
Forget all tis Lincoln nonsense because the race has been called and it’s all over:
(from Gold Derby)
http://www.goldderby.com/films/news/3465/les-miserables-oscars-academy-awards-entertainment-news.html
Snuggles has spoken. Eveybody back in your caves.
For an American, maybe 50,000. Asian 10,000.
Reverse Hostel, you see?
If you could save ONE of these sub-species, what would YOUR price be?
A person?
A PERSON.
Even in an attempt at joking as a troll…..that was not funny. It was hideous.
We should kill all the darkies. I mean, they are not people – in the strictest meaning of the word. They are just some black motherfuckers. I’d like to behead a couple of them, mostly because they rape everybody and I hate that. Beheading? Not Jesse Jackson, but someone who’s last name is Jackson.
Or we can go back to the good ole days. Slaves were the shit.
rufus,
I read probably all posts on this blog and it is clear to me that you are troll. Yuo even trash Spielberg’s previous films to prove Lincoln will be trash. You are posting long long long nonsense and then trying to use it as evidence.
And if you don’t like Spielberg then why you post negative posts in every Spielberg related threads?
And I am troll? Have you read anything negative thing written by me on blog?
If you want to accept me as troll then “I am troll against trolls”.
My advice to you: Go and read Jeff Wells. He is your man. You can trash Spielber with him without watching film.
I’m not a troll. It seems like mecid is the troll here.
I was posting a sincere response to the info that was given. Since I don’t know Jeff Wells and I don’t know Stephen as well as others here, I accepted the info as just that, info. Then I looked into it for 15 seconds and realized it was propoganda and changed my outlook immediately.
If, mecid, you don’t like my opinions, just don’t read them.
That’s my point.
It’s like Irreconcilable Differences without Drew Barrymore.
Never liked the “whitepeopleproblems” meme. Reductive way to get a cheap laugh.
There are a couple of black actors in supporting roles, but apparently the film deals more with Lincoln’s battles with his cabinet members as he tries to abolish slavery in the final 4 months of his life. Since Sally Field plays a prominent role, I’m guessing marital issues parallel the political setting. Sort of like how Moneyball was the office story of Oakland’s 2002 season rather than an on-field drama. Some viewers complained that it wasn’t compelling, other’s appreciated the intelligence. Since we know how Lincoln ends, I think Spielberg and Kushner’s approach feels right.
There is nothing that moves me more in movies and in life is to see an act of genuine good by a fellow human being to another. The genuine act is hard to explain (and film) without becoming manipulative, but when it happens it’s magic.
What I find odd with Lincoln is that there doesn’t appear to be any black characters?
As a movie, whom am I identifying with?
Lincoln (#whitepeopleproblems) or what this story is about and who it affected??
I saw Minority Report for the 1st time recently, and that movie exemplifies Spielberg’s best and worst tendencies. It features stunning sets, a mature look at unusual and futuristic technologies, and a sappy ending that sort fucked up the chilly vibes running through the 1st two hours.
He’s a brilliant filmmaker but also someone who decided 40 years ago when The Sugarland Express flopped that he was better off going wide. While movie brats tried to one up each other in the creative arts, Spielberg studied grosses. If the press people behind Lincoln are cagey, it tells me that he’s delivered something more studious, more muted than his popcorn fare. If so, I think we’re in for something cool.
Munich was ballsy the whole way through and Catch Me If You Can mixes the airy humor and haunting themes of loneliness and escape from the very beginning. Spielberg gets his performances and he gets his visuals. What he misses sometimes are thorough stories and a handle on tone. Lincoln FEELS like his best property in a long time, and I get the impression that the only think he might have fucked up is Disney’s chances for a huge moneymaker. Fine with me.*
I hope Lincoln is better than NO-ONE expected. Even then it would not silence these few haters, but at least the rest of the world would disagree with them.
You are already making me dislike Les Mis without even seeing it. I’d like to be neutral while entering the theater and make my own opinions. I don’t want to hear some fake generalisations like “I keep hearing how Academy hates this and that”.
Les Mis fans area an evil breed. Hooper is better than you.
Jeffrey Wells is an unstable, trollish drama whore. Please. Can we not post anything he says here as fact? He doesn’t need to get into a Lincoln screening, he needs some fucking meds.
It seems trolls – rufus, stephen holt and o. began their journey. Hey, weren’t you judging Lincoln according to posters, trailer some days ago?
Jeff Wells? It seems you don’t know anything about him. He hates Spielberg. As Lincoln release nears, he is trashing all his previous films. He is just dumbass or if I am not mistaken “he is Weinstein whore”. Shame on you for accepting Jeff’s nonsense.
He criticizes voice. How many times should someone tell you Lincoln had high-pitched voice. You need Terminator voice? GO and see previous T.films or wait for Terminator 5.
Hate takes you nowhere. Stop this trolling.
And this is stupid if you believe Stephen here. He takes one movie every year that he champions. This time it is Les Mis and NOTHING else (it’s always Harvey Weinstein stuff anyway). All other possible candidates are enemies. Enemies to HATE. That includes Lincoln, but the really challenging ones like The Master and everything else gets the boot. You know, the actually great ones.
Really sad and extremely narrow view on the ART of Cinema. Stephen even interviews people with his second hand knowledge. Maybe for comic relief? Because he sure has no power anywhere in USA.
I will continue with this rant later, but this stuff really pisses me off.
I will continue with this rant later…
I hope so. Looking forward to it. In all seriousness, I mean that.
“In fact, there’s virtually NO press getting in to this unless they are HUGE Spielberg fans.”
OK, so if I was an American I would be the FIRST journalist to go in. Because NONE of you is as much a Spielberg fan as I am. Some of you claim to be, but you only base it on your love for his 70’s-80’s flicks. I can see the big picture.
I can quote Always to you, and I’m fucking proud of it.
Hmm. So I just went to Wells site and now it looks like this is overblown gossip and I am the unwitting victim. I stand by the start of my first post on this topic “If…”
Stephen is mistaken. j.wells has been shitting in Lincoln’s stovepipe hat for the past 3 weeks. j.wells already reviewed Lincoln based on the trailer. He already hates it because he doesn’t like DDL’s accent.
j.wells dug a hole and now he’s throwing a hissy fit because nobody will give him a leg up to crawl out. Why would Disney want someone there who’s been undermining their movie with smarmy posts every day this week?
By now everybody in Hollywood knows that j.wells wants Silver Linings Playbook to win Best Picture. Everybody knows he intends to make that happen by sabotaging every other movie that might interfere with his dream. Why would Disney want to facilitate that childishness?
Happily, I do not know what Jeff Wells is like when he’s angry. Nor do I know what he’s like when he’s happy, horny or holy. And that’s the way I like it.
I’m not sure what the motivation is here. Do they think that if only good impressions are out there that they positive buzz will stay out there until Late December. Or is this just about the opening weekend hoping to cash in before the word gets out that it’s not for mainstream audiences.
I feel like it’s amateur hour with this marketing team. The trailers have a split personality to them. And this move is just bizarre. Maybe they have a good movie but they know it’s not remotely mainstream. At the very least I am perplexed. At the very most I’m convinced that there is no hope of there being clear sailing ahead.
“If what Stephen says is true… then I think that’s all we need to know about the quality of the film.”
Then let the games begin.
What a dumb move.
Yes, Rufus, it IS true. Just check out how ANGRY Jeff Well’s is over at Hollywood-Elsewhere right now. It’s in the top post, and yes, they wouldn’t let him in. I thought they might not. And you know what Jeff’s like when he’s angry!
If what Stephen says is true, that they are only picking Spielberg fans, then I think that’s all we need to know about the quality of the film.
They, Disney is involved, are micro-managing and being VERY picky about who gets into this hardly Secret Screening and who doesn’t. Each press person has to get cleared, and so it’s mostly Film Society of Lincoln Center members, devoted cinephiles, all, and patrons of Lincoln center, more than it is press. In fact, there’s virtually NO press getting in to this unless they are HUGE Spielberg fans. This is not going to be a representative reaction at all.
I wonder if Lou Lumenick from the NY Post is going to get in. After he ran that “Lincoln is boring” email he got from a sneak preview viewer, whom I STILL say was a female…
No, a hand-picked Spielberg-fans only screening is what this is. And that isn’t exactly a “secret.”
Is it wrong to be turned on by Daniel Day-Lewis’ acting?
Alan of Montreal:
I guess that’s why it is such a treat to go to his movies. You can always be assured of his 100% dedication to the film he’s in.
My favorite DDL film? The little seen “The Ballad of Jack and Rose” contains what I feel to be his most emotionally raw portrayal on film. He should have received an Oscar nomination for that movie.
My least favorite DDL film? “Gangs of New York” – nearly walked out of this movie. Cameron Diaz ruined it for me.
That still is 3 weeks old, actually. http://fitasepeliculas.tumblr.com/post/31521331780/lincoln-steven-spielberg-2012
Here’s the trailer to “Not Fade Away”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j71yt23H5vw
I was curious about Daniel Day Lewis’ filmography because he seems to have played only Americans the past few years, so I looked him up on IMDB, and was surprised to see that he’s only made 10 films since My Left Foot in 1989! I guess that shows why he’s really only seen in quality film–because he’s that picky!
God, I hope this is great. But remember: first reactions aren’t everything, just look at Silver Linings Playbook!!!
God, I hope this is great…
Remember, first reactions aren’t everything. Just look at Silver Linings Playbook!