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I *love* Internet movie geeks, really. I’m one of them, naturally. But sometimes the intention of people to create a brutal war of attrition between two films–as I think many did at certain places (not here, actually) between No Country for Old Men and There Will Be Blood–gets tiresome. But especially in a case like this where none of us have seen either Indy 4 or The Dark Knight.
And of course not all summer movies are made equal. And I’m completely all for people listing their most anticipated films (something I love to do myself all the time, for years or seasons or what have you). And of course the two films I’m looking forward to the most are indeed Indy 4 and The Dark Knight for a variety of reasons in each case. (Because I was a huge fan of the television series, I’m also looking forward to The X-Files 2, though I fear it may suck.)
Okay, I’ll be honest: I saw N8’s comment and I snapped. I became as venomous as a Republican talk show host given carte blanche at a political rally. Now I apologize and ask the good senator N8 and all Internet movie geeks I’ve offended, including myself, to forgive me.
🙂
Alexander, I think the obvious reply has to be, “Why so serious?”
😉
You ask, “Why can’t *both* be awesome?”
They can, and I fully expect they will be. I don’t think I ever phrased this as one movie being “crushed” by another.
I never felt that way about There Will Be Blood vs. No Country for Old Men either. They were both among my 4 favorite movies of the year.
When a movie reaches that plateau, it becomes ridiculously arbitrary to chose a “best,” doesn’t it? — Whether it’s the Oscars, the BAFTA’s the Sultans, or the Muriels. Being chosen the marginal favorite in the company of a half dozen other superb movies is interesting to note, but ultimately meaningless, isn’t it?
What’s not so meaningless is the phenomena of the cream rising to top, and the thrill of seeing that happen.
Because here’s the thing, Alexander. We did a similar poll back in September 2007, and out of about 35 films the “Internet movie geeks” voted for their most anticipated films.
No Country for Old Men topped the poll.
There Will Be Blood was in second place.
Antonement, third.
September, 2007.
Others in the top 8 were The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, I’m Not There, Into the Wild and Lust, Caution. Pretty sweet selection of films, I’d say.
(You might want to believe those polled blew it by letting Michael Clayton languish far outside the top 20. Personally, I’d say they were smarter than AMPAS.)
Are you saying all summer blockbusters are created equal, Alexander? None of them will be any better or worse than the next? No point talking about them because they’re just popcorn flicks? No reason to look forward to one any more than another? Help me out, ok, because I don’t know what the heck you’re scoffing at.
I can’t think of anyone I’d rather ask about summer movies than these “internet geeks.” Do you know of a smarter more consistently savvy group of filmgoers?
We know we can always expect one or two summer movies to rise above the rest, right? We’ve proven pretty good at guessing which ones those will be. That’s all this topic was about.
Nothing to do with one movie getting its ass “crushed” by another. Simply an attempt to separate the wheat from the chaff.
If you want to turn it into a bloody duel to the death, have at it. (bwahahaha) That was never my intention.
On the other hand, of course there’s a battle looming on the horizon between Indy and Batman. But I don’t care who “wins” that box-office contest. I want both movies to be terrific and I have the highest hopes that they won’t disappoint.
No need to worry about me, ok? I’ll be just fine.
😉
Ryan, Ryan, you worry me sometimes. 🙂
The way Internet movie geeks are sometimes embarrasses me to post along with them. There Will Be Blood vs. No Country for Old Men for the “awards season” is now going to become Indy 4 vs. Dark Knight for the “popcorn season.” Watch out, Indy, you’ll be crushed by the Joker! Bwahahaha!
Why can’t *both* be awesome?
Sounds like J8’s a big TDK fan, not a bad thing to be ;-), but I think you’re giving Indy short-shrift. I think it will be good, and more importantly, it will make more than TDK. As good as Nolan and co have made Batman, they just can’t compete with the stature of Indiana either domestically or abroad. It doesn’t help that, in some countries, Batman has been translated as ‘Fluttering Mouse-man”, and that apparently was a detractor for some people. Personally, it would have made me very curious.
BTW, I’ve seen the newest IRON MAN trailer, and IT IS AWESOME!! Robert Downey Jr nails the role, and we get to see (but not hear, sadly) more from Jeff Bridges!
I truly think this summer will make last year’s crop (save Ratatouille and Bourne Ultimatum) seem pitiful in comparison.
ha, don’t forget Blood Meridian, Marshall.
And Lincoln
And Theodore Roosevelt
And Tintin!
Then that opens up 2010
The Hobbit
The Coens, with The Yiddish Policeman’s Union
Scorsese’s Silence
(& what else?)
Upcoming release dates are really all that stand between me and suicide sometimes.
Is it too early to talk about THE LOVELY BONES, SHANTARAM, and NINE as Best Picture frontrunners for 2009? Hahahahaha.
The Dark Knight will be this year’s Bourne. Nominations in the sound categories, cinematography, and (if Ledger delivers) supporting actor are all real possibilities.
Don’t get your hopes up for Indiana Jones. It’ll fall flat on its face and be crushed by the rolling bolder that is The Dark Knight.
WALL-E will be an interesting experience because the one thing I love about Pixar films is the sharp dialogue, and WALL-E will have almost none! But if it’s as good as people think it will be without needing dialogue, that could (big emphasis on the “could”) translate to an unprecedented director nom for an animated film. Damn! I just jinxed it! Oh well. it’ll happen someday…
um, sheepishly: is anyone else excited about 10000 b.c….? um, ok, nevermind.
Since I don’t wish to jinx any of the big fall releases I’m awaiting, I’ll just list the summer films that I feel have the most potential.
Iron Man: the cast is impressive, and I think RDJ will nail it and resurrect his career. Seeing a bald Jeff Bridges will be cool too.
Indiana Jones: 19 of the 22.5 years of my life will have gone by between the release of Last Crusade and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for me and my friends (who are mostly 1.5-2 years younger than me) and I’m going for an opening midnight showing. I missed that opportunity with LOTR and I won’t make that mistake again. With very few exceptions, Spielberg has not disappointed me and Lucas has been restricted to only the “story” credit–thus limiting his meddling. Plus, the cast is pretty damn impressive, and the trailer gave me goosebumps.
Incredible Hulk: I’d be less eager for this, save for 2 reasons. 1) the cast: Norton, Tyler, Hurt, Roth, and Nelson. 2) the screenplay was completely rewritten by Edward Norton himself and has received very positive reviews. Not having seen a trailer, I’m less excited for this than the others.
Wall-E: It’s a Pixar film by Andrew Stanton and it stars the most ADORABLE little robot I’ve ever seen (my heart melts every time I see him). That’s all I have to say about that.
The Dark Knight: Of all the summer live-action films, this film has the strongest potential because of the insanely great cast (RIP HEATH :-() and a truly talented director (Christopher Nolan). Besides an eye for talent, he’s treated this franchise with respect that the previous directors (especially Joel) did not and made Gotham a more lived-in and down-to-earth feel.
Hellboy 2: Hey, it’s Guillermo Del Toro! It should be interesting at least.
That’s all that comes to mind right now for summer. I truly think Speed Racer will crash badly. The trailer nearly made me go color-blind, and it reminds me of a Joel Schumacher film without the homoeroticism.
It really is amazing how after having a long run of always having one of the top B.O. films getting nominated until 2003, there hasn’t been one since. Now I do think there have been blockbusters since (The Incredibles, Batman Begins) that really were BP worthy, but I like that the academy is nominating the films it feels are the best and not caring too much about how popular the films are.
Now, if there is a blockbuster that gets great reviews we may see it contend this year, but at this point the two films that I think have the best shots for oscars are Defiance (very oscary subject matter and I heard really good things about the script) and Frost/Nixon (I’ve seen the play as well as spoken to two people who saw a test screening of the film and said it was “going to get all the major nominations”).
But the films I’m probably most excited for are The Dark Knight, X-Files 2, and Indiana Jones; it is highly unlikely that any will get BP attention and probably at least one will be a disappointment, but hopefully they all deliver and maybe get some tech love or even a major nod (I’ve considered Ledger for Dark Knight and Blanchett for Indy as supporting category possibilities).
Pineapple Express is definitely one of the best mainstream films this year.
Wall-E could possibly be the greatest movie of all time if its half as good as what I imagine.
The Dark Knight will ROCK.
Indiana Jones is probably gonna be pretty cool. If its anything more than that I don’t know if I’d be able to handle it.
I expect Speed Racer to be a letdown, along with Iron Man and The Hulk.
Some of the big Sundance movies could be really great, both on a mass appeal level (Hamlet 2), and on a smaller scale (Ballast).
As far as the “next Once”, there’s no way I could even begin to fathom that. “Once” came literally out of nowhere and I had no advance knowledge of it. So I guess my prediction is the “next Once” is something we’ve never heard of. Although, a small low budget film that is likely to turn a lot of heads but unlikely to secure a nomination of any kind is “The Foot Fist Way”. One of the funniest movies of the year. This year really looks like a great year for comedy.
Milkshake pls!
Btw…. I think Indiana 4 is gonna be a big disapointment. Maybe Shia can save it…
I think Micheal Sheen also has a chance with Frost/Nixon this year, and not just Frank Langella. It’ll be interesting to see how those two play off each other. It’ll either be completely genius or utter crap. And I can’t conceive of it being crap.
I’m also looking forward to see how Ed Norton and Robert Downey Jr. do in their superhero movies this summer. Here’s hoping The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man are as good as I hope.
I believe that The Lovely Bones is also a 2009 film now…
Where the Wild Things Are has been delayed to 2009 or later. Word is the studio is not happy with Jonze’s version and is pondering some massive reshoots with a different director.
The Fighter is delayed until 2009, according to imdb.
WALL-E
Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk
Speed Racer
Indy 4
Wanted
Kung-Fu Panda
Shantaram was delayed because of the writer’s strike, unfortunately. I don’t think it will be released until 2009.
– Synecdoche, New York will be huge.
– the lovely bones has to be good.
– as risky as it is to say, Valkrie.
– some bigger movies like hellboy 2, the dark knight, and indiana jones won’t fail because of the people behind them.
– where the wild things are should get some buzz.
– the curious case of benjamin button seems to be the big frontrunner at this point as far as high expectations go but usually that will kill a film but there are very talented people behind this one and one has to believe this is going to be THE film at the moment.
– look out for Australia to be a contender too however; i’ve been waiting for a new baz luhrman film for a while and this could be his time finally.
– the fighter is another.
– there’s a lot of buzz for frost/nixon but look for only frank langella to be the only one seriously talked about as far as oscar goes for that one.
– johnny depp might finally get his first oscar for shantaram.
– …and just for shits and giggles allow me to say that some of the best movies this year will be comedies in which none will generate any oscar buzz…as usual..they are pineapple express, bruno, zack and miri make a porno, harold and kumar escape from guantanamo bay and forgetting sarah marshall.
Oh yeah, how could I forget Prince Caspian!? Harry Potter too!
I simply cannot wait for “Baby Mama”! Granted it’s not an awards contender in any form but its Tina Fey, my personal comedy icon. Also looking forward to “Wanted”.
I’m surprised to see “Towelhead” absent from the poll. Count me in for “Choke” too.
Bourne ’08: Definitely Iron Man and X Files 2! And Prince Caspian.
Once ’08: Have Dreams, Will Travel
Zack and Miri Make a Porno
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I’LL TAKE THE POPCORN….the milk shakes this year were rancid.
Iron Man for sure, as well as Wall-E (though that’s kind of a given, probably a Best Animated Film front runner already). If we’re just going total geek, gotta mention X-Files 2, The Incredible Hulk, and Hellboy 2.
In this same thread, if you guys want, while we’re guessing which film will be this year’s Bourne — feel free to speculate about which movie of 2008 will be the “Once” of ’08. Which will be the first movie to emerge and strike a chord that resonates with enough passionate support to carry it through to a nomination?
Winners of this game might even win something come December (but probably not, since it’s a low-budget concept.)