You never know what’s true in gossip stories — if the legit press can get things wrong and then correct them with important stories you can imagine what kind of mishegoss goes on in the gossip press. Either which way, if this story is true, that Kristen Stewart is too “embarrassed” to walk the red carpet for On the Road preem in London, well, homegirl needs a little propping up.
First, what you do in your private life is NO ONE’S FUCKING BUSINESS. Got that? Anyone who thinks they have a “right” to know what goes on in your private life needs an immediate wake-up call. You are a human being and you have a right to do what you please with your body, your mind, your heart and your soul. Hold your head high, do your job, do not give the tabloids the power over your. They are like rabid dogs — you have to show them that you are unafraid.
Second, you weren’t the one who took vows “before God” to someone else. You were involved, sure, okay, fine. But you didn’t commit any sort of sin. What happened is between you and your boyfriend. That the public is shaming YOU rather than the much older man (who should have, frankly, known better) is typical rampant misogyny. Hold your head high. Elizabeth Taylor got through many a scandal and so can you.
Third, everybody makes mistakes. Most of us don’t have paparazzi following us, getting “tips” about our “behavior” and taking pictures as evidence. Why? To right the injustices you’ve wreaked upon society? To expose you as the harlot that you are? To set a good example for other young women that they should stay away from married men? No. They did it for cold, hard cash. They did it because they could. And the public played right along. You are responsible for your mistakes. You are not required to explain them to the public at large. It is NO ONE’S FUCKING BUSINESS. So hold your head high.
Fourth, On the Road is something to be proud of. Your work is something to be proud of. Who you are is something to celebrate. Your youth will evaporate faster than you can say Renesmee. You will not go down as the harlot, the cheater, the slut. Don’t buy into the hype. Don’t believe the illusion that any of this really matters beyond what is going on in YOUR life between you and those you love.
As Bill Condon recently said in a statement:
“Both of these actors gave heart and soul to the Twilight movies, not only during shooting, but also by navigating so graciously the whole life-in-a-fishbowl aspect of the phenomenon. Above all they have always shown great respect for the fans who made these movies such a success. Now it’s time that some of that respect be returned to them.”
That’s all.
p.s. If it turns out that that creepy director ends his marriage and wants to “have a relationship” with you? The answer to that question is not “but I love him.” It’s “get off my lawn.” You’re just going to have to trust me on this one.
This article started off good… and then it got sort of mixed up. I agree 100% that people are out of line with their “slut shaming”–in fact, after all that’s happened to Stewart recently, I strangely find myself MORE of a fan of hers, not less–but the fact is, she DID make a mistake. Of course she ought to be encouraged to get right back on the horse again, but to say that she can do whatever she wants–well, yes, technically that’s true, but you said that she committed no sin–no, um, actually she did, and while, as I said, she really ought to ignore the meanies who get up in her grill and call her out for doing something millions of women have already done and millions more will do in the future, that doesn’t make what she did right, not in the least, and she ought to pick herself up and learn from her mistakes.
That said, I don’t know that I agree that it’s “misogyny” that makes people point fingers at her over Sanders; of course I think people ought to point fingers at him, especially because, like you said, he’s so much older and ought to be more responsible, but the fact is that she’s a bigger role model and much more famous, and little girls look up to her, blah blah, so that’s why more people are angry at her than Sanders. Nobody cares about him.
Who cares if she cheated? Lets all thank Kristen Stewart for the wonderfully post-feminist and misogynistic female characters she likes to play. Be it pathetic, desperate pawning Bella, or a horny early teens girl supposed to be half her actual age in one coming up.
See here, someone who finally makes sense. Yes, I admit it. I was disappointed at what Kristen did. I mean, I thought she was better than this. But hello? We all make mistakes, don’t we? Just because she’s famous doesn’t mean she’s obligated to be a saint. If she was a normal, ordinary person, this would be private. But because she’s so famous, the paparazzi blows this up. She made a mistake, yes, but she admitted it and apologised. How many people in Hollywood would do this? How many people in REAL LIFE would do it? This isn’t likely to happen anytime soon, but people need to respect her privacy, not tear it up for their amusement. Give the girl a break. She’s been through enough. And just to make this clear, I’m still a KStew supporter.
Um, if you’re a celebrity and are projected in front of the pantheon of 4000+ movie screens and even more TVs with DVD/Blu-ray players for the adaptation of a book series that has around 226 million copies sold worldwide, of course some people will be curious to how’s the day in your life. Being a female does not give you a “pass” card to cheating on a relation. Of course Bill Clinton, the former president of the United States, was ostracized and even impeached over the wake of the Lewinsky scandal. It’s fair to say he got more flack than Lewinsky. Of course Tiger Woods, who has won 14 major golf champions, was ostracized for his infidelity. It’s fair to say he got more flack than all the waitresses he cheated with. So why should KStew not get flack? If you’re in the pantheon of the public’s eyes, it probably goes without saying you should, oh, I don’t know, lead a good example for them. Let me quote the article’s author: “That the public is shaming YOU rather than the much older man (who should have, frankly, known better) is typical rampant misogyny.” As shown by my examples, this is not the case. This is because Kristin Stewart is far more well known than this person called Rupert Sanders, the same way Bill Clinton is far more well known than Monica Lewinsky, the same way Tiger Woods is far more well known than all of his infidelities.
On an unrelated note, dear Stone: what was your opinion on the movie “An Education?”
I agree….you our young and this man knew how to make you think he care….he has money and looks and clothes and a big head…..I’m older and I remember in my 20’s and a co-worker was 32 and he knew how
make me think he was wonderful….We all get wrap up and blame you but you our young and your life has been a roller-coaster..yes you have money but take time to learn your lesson from this and keep your head up…You our young and if Robert does not connect with you that ok… Maybe you will learn from them and your family will help you….You need to learn from this and maybe down the road you both will meet again and it may work out but if not…You will find Mr. Wonderful who will love you and not the press…..take care and ask God for guidance…he is always with you…God Bless Always.
Well written SG.
Great article, I agree with everything except:
“Fourth, On the Road is something to be proud of. ”
It certainly ain’t, though that isn’t her fault really.
Oh look what I have missed. I have sat here and read this entire Twitard comment extravaganza and it seems the only comment worth reading was this:
“Those commandments are in the Old Testament meaning Charlton Heston brought them down from a bush that time he got a perm.”
Antoinette pisses me off all the time but damn that was funny.
Otherwise, every single person commenting seems to have missed the point of the post which I think is misogyny in Hollywood and the media. THAT would be nice to discuss b/c lets be clear, I don’t give a fuck about the bible or sins or any of that shit. If I did I’d go to one of those websites. If we are to discuss the bible here it would be great if we were talking about “Inside Oscar” and not the oppressive book of fairytales that has fucked up our world enough for me to make movies a personal necessity in order to maintain my sanity.
Bottom line: People fuck other people all the time, every day, right now they are fucking and just a fucking. If you want to come in here and judge who and when and where Kristen Stewart fucks well open up the door to your bedroom (or wherever is clever, maybe the great outdoors is where you like it) so we can discuss your fucking. Better yet, I might just find out when you might be fucking and send some cameras over, surely you won’t mind right? You did put yourself out there for this scrutiny by scrutinizing someone else’s shit.
Fucking.
“Seems like blaming others for blaming is both blaming and shaming.”
Ok, this might be a “cynic comedian” talking (nothing wrong with that, and btw; Antoinette is one of the finest of the sort at AD based on that post alone), but there is quite a potent truth to it. There is a very fine line between coming off as self-righteous or just plain righteous. So I think I’m a bit with Antoinette on this one. I found myself cringing several times (almost against my will) when reading mm’s post.
Also, it seems contradictory to me when mm celebrates Sasha’s post for living up to the golden rule (I agree with antoinette about the poor expression of what that rule is about, but never mind) which in my view tries to put the blame on Sanders (or at least, lash out at his expense).
But yeah, the mood has lightened up a little. Let’s try to keep it that way.
SUCH a good post. THANK YOU. I’m sick for Kristen that she got herself in this mess, but for goodness sakes, she did nothinig to ME personally! Frankly, thinking back to my early 20’s, it’s just a darn good thing the paps werent following me around. The intense judgments people have of others is stunning. And that people are so susceptible to what the tabloids print. I hope these are not the same people who vote.
Regarding morals, can we agree on the golden rule? Try not to hurt other people, and if you mess up, apologize. And try not to judge.
I don’t even agree that that’s what the golden rule is.
I know it’s hard – but just remember, every time you point the finger, three more fingers are pointing back at you.
OMG. What happened to your hand? D:
We are such a shame and blame oriented society – and anyone who blames others is driven by an inner sense of shame which they compensate for by acting morally superior and entitled to judge.
Seems like blaming others for blaming is both blaming and shaming.
But every time you do, that karma’s going to come back and bite you in the ass.
My Buddhism teacher never even told me karma had teeth. Sonofabitch. Unless you meant some “stripper” named Karma. Then yeah, she probably would bite you in the ass. I’ll assume it’s extra.
every comment here is a bigger cliche than the next… lame but funny non the less
Thank you, Ryan, for deleting the hate speech. I am so sick of it. Sasha, thank you for your excellent article. I was so desperate to find some sanity that I surfed Kristen Stewart forgive and there you were. Thank you.
Regarding morals, can we agree on the golden rule? Try not to hurt other people, and if you mess up, apologize. And try not to judge. I know it’s hard – but just remember, every time you point the finger, three more fingers are pointing back at you. We are such a shame and blame oriented society – and anyone who blames others is driven by an inner sense of shame which they compensate for by acting morally superior and entitled to judge. But every time you do, that karma’s going to come back and bite you in the ass. So learn to forgive, and learn not to judge, because we all make mistakes. Your burden will be lighter and you will be happier if you just let go of judgement and forgive.
@mymy
Thanks. Nice heartfelt remarks. Don’t let the comedian cynics bother you.
@ all the comedian cynics.
Thanks Happy to see the mood on this page has lightened up a little.
#Hannah
I’m already sort of married. But that never deterred me or my partner from fun extracurricular adventures. Call me.
^ take a deep breath and have another pomegranate daiquiri, Anniston.
OMG!! PEOPLE SHOULD JUST BUTT OUT OF HER LIFE!! LIKE WTF!! I COULD BET EVERONE HAS SKELETONS IN THEIR CLOSET!!! AND I WOULD BET THAT ANY OF YOU THAT JUDGE HER WOULDN’T LIKE YOUR BUSINESS AND LIFE ON EVERYBODYS MOUTH,, AND EVERYONE HAVING SOMETHING TO SAY!!! DO AS WHAT YOU WOULD WANT EVERYBODY TODO IF IT WAS YOUR LIFE!!! “BUTT THE FUCK OUT”
Steve, it would be sad if it was only about gossip. But it became a dissection of morals, judgement and privacy. We’re discussing our points of views. Granted some people will keep posting for the sole purpose of gaining the satisfaction of being right. I know what’s important in my life. Just because no one’s commenting on the other article doesn’t mean it’s not important to us. Maybe everyone agrees on that issue, therefore there won’t need to be much of a discussion. If we all commented and we all felt the same way we’d just be preaching to the choir.
What’s killing me is that this issue of a diddle indiscretion that impacts nobody outside private parties has almost 300 opinions posted, whereas the issue alluded to in the Compliance trailer – far more disturbing with regards to illustrating dangers rooted in our most basic herd behaviour as a society – has only half a dozen.
Guess we know what’s important.
SG: Good observations. And you are very right, anyone who tells Kristen Stewart to “keep her head held high”, should tell Rupert Sanders the same. If not, that’s where the bickering and the hypocrisies and the double standards come into play. That was my biggest problem with the ps in Sasha’s article and with a lot of the comments throughout this thread. To judge the one without judging the other (or rather, to judge either one of them at all) is just plain wrong and contributes to the witch hunt climate of the most rampant media coverage.
It is really absurd trying to find blame in all of this. None of us should judge anyone we don’t know personally. And it is very true, SG, that Sanders is also someone’s husband, son and father (and friend, for that matter), which is one of the reasons why something like the death penalty is an abomination as well. The state not only kills an individual, but someone’s father, son, relative, husband, whatever. But that’s another discussion entirely. Just saying.
Well, just wanted to applaud you for making some very sound assessments on this thing and doing it in a very honorable and decent way (many of us don’t always succeed on that count in the spur of the moment).
@Ryan,
I noticed that you’ve addressed some things that I had to say so I wanted to address some things that you’ve mentioned.
“A dozen idiots on this page seem to think “Hold your head high” means “Be proud of what you did!”
Generally speaking, hold your head high means be proud of something. I think it is a gross misinterpretation to assume that anyone who called this phrase into question inferred that Sasha was asking Kristen to be proud of what she did. I certainly did not think that. Rather the inference is that Stewart should be proud of her work and celebrate who she is. While I do think Kristen Stewart should be proud of her work, I don’t think she has anything to celebrate at this moment. I think that if she feels ashamed and beaten down at the moment, she should feel that way because she knows what she did was wrong and its understandable.
I don’t understand why you feel the need to call people “idiots” though. For my part, I don’t think I’ve said anything derogatory about you, Sasha, or any of the parties mentioned in this article. It feels as though you are perpetuating the same type of offensive bullying that you are cautioning “the public” against with regards to Kristen Stewart. If you think someone misintepreted something, you can just say that you think their assessment was wrong without labeling someone a hothead or an idiot. You didn’t seem to like being called an imbecile so I don’t understand why you would turn around and call a “dozen” posters idiots.
Next, the topic of sin came about because Sasha mentioned it in this article thereby opening up the floodgates of religious principles on what exactly qualifies as a sin in someone’s eyes. Apparently people have very different views on how they qualify or quantify sins which leads to dissent on that issue as well.
The main problem with the article and the comments though is that they exist in a land of hypocrisy, double standards and self-righteousness from ALL sides. We are told that we shouldn’t judge Stewart but we should judge Rupert Sanders. If the principle of this statement was authentic, then we shouldn’t judge anyone. Rupert Sanders is after all someone’s father, husband, and son. I don’t think his children would appreciate having their father called “creepy” or a “scumbag” or a “pervert.” None of us know this man so if Sasha wants to state that we shouldn’t judge then we shouldn’t judge him either or make assumptions about what type of man he is or why he did what he did or whether or not Kristen should stay away from him. If this is no one’s business then why is Sasha writing a post telling Kristen to hold her head up high. Why does anyone care if people on the internet call her names or print stories about her that are un-flattering. We don’t know Kristen Stewart. Yet people feel personally offended for her because they feel that what she is going through is wrong and unfair. Well they have a right to feel that way. But on the flip side, Kristen Stewart is a public figure who took her private business and put it on a very public stage. People feel personally offended by her actions because they think that what she did is wrong and unfair to Robert Pattinson, Liberty Ross and two innocent children.
Kristen Stewart actually does have a support system. From what I’ve seen over the years, she appears to come from a good family. She has friends and she still has fans who are writing up twititions and sending her support videos. She can hide out for the moment while Robert Pattinson has to face public humiliation and unrelenting media scrutiny next week as he promotes Cosmopolis. For my part, I will not make her the victim in all this. I am a 28 year old female and I’ve been 22. I still feel very much like a woman-child but I also know how the world works and I know how to say NO.
I pray that all of the in-fighting, bickering and gossip comes to an end. IF we as a society want to be much better than this situation, then we have to be much better to one another and I’m including myself in that statement.
I don’t understand why you feel the need to call people “idiots” though
You’re right. That was wrong.
Primarily only the people who say Sasha or I are “imbeciles” are “idiots.”
I agree with most of what you have to say. Except I fail to see how Robert Pattinson has been publicly humiliated.
That’s a strange attitude plonked down amidst your otherwise sensitive observations. Humiliated? Jeezus, he’s not a cuckold.
I’m not standing up for Sasha. I’m standing up for my own feelings. I’m saying what I think about it. Same as everybody else.
Sasha doesn’t need me to stand up for her.
A dozen idiots on this page seem to think “Hold your head high” means “Be proud of what you did!”
How dumb is that?
I spend more time in the comments than Sasha does.
That’s another thing an assistant editor does: Take care of the aggravations so the star of the publication can focus on her work.
I disagree with Sasha sometimes. Sasha liked The Artist. I didn’t.
Sasha doesn’t need another person on her site who disagrees with some things she writes.
Why do you think Sasha and I get along?
About which issues does Joe Biden feel differently? Who knows. He would suck as a Vice President if we knew.
To Ryan Adams,
Marry Me.
“- Or, you can start writing about gossip, but we can all agree you are already there”
Sasha’s post isn’t “gossip.” It’s an articulate defense of a woman who doesn’t deserve to be judged or scrutinized for anything beyond her performances, which can be fantastic. And since this site admirably moves into more feminist-driven territory, I appreciate what was written.
She used to fuck Goldie, that is questionable taste, or do I care to much for oral hygiene…?
I heard my rumour already in the Summer of 2007. Still not proven to be true, so I can’t actually believe it. But Björk has taste… so I doubt it.
… And Jean Claude Van Damme has just admitted to fucking Kylie Minogue…in Thailand, of all places. Just read that in the bastion of good taste, The Guardian.
Chuck Norris fucked Björk. Gossip that could be true.
what have we learned from all this?
This used to be an awards news site, but im ashamed to say that gossip is way more interesting aparently… (me included)
My suggestion,
– Is kristen stewart a front runner for any award this year? (or any year while we are at it???) if not, this is NON OF THIS SITE FUCKING BUSINESS.
– Or, you can start writing about gossip, but we can all agree you are already there
I’ve been a lurker for several years now. I’m going to be honest and say I’m not a Sasha fan as she, IMO, has a holier than thou attitude. When a movie she wants to win does she rubs it in and man she gets really pissed off when her favorite doesn’t.
And Ryan, all I can say is you stand up for her way too much. In my eyes you have no credibility because that’s all you do. Have you ever disagreed with Sasha and if so have you ever done so in the comment area?
I’m not trying to be mean just teeling it how I see it. I’m getting sick of the feminist articles that have been more prevelent this year. I thought this was an Oscar site? I am actually laughing at myself as I type this because I’m writing a comment about how much I am not digging a site I used to love when most people would say “just don’t go there anymore”. I love movies and I hope things get back on track…
And Ryan, all I can say is you stand up for her way too much. In my eyes you have no credibility because that’s all you do.
I’m not standing up for Sasha. I’m standing up for my own feelings. I’m saying what I think about it. Same as everybody else.
Sasha doesn’t need me to stand up for her. But when I see a wacky misinterpretation of something Sasha has written, I’m here to clarify. A dozen idiots on this page seem to think “Hold your head high” means “Be proud of what you did!”
How dumb is that? I let it go for a whole day hoping somebody else would point out what a stupid misreading that is — a deliberate willful misreading. Only one person tried to object. After seeing 10 or 12 comments trying to reframe what Sasha wrote, trying to turn the headline into a totally twisted stance, I couldn’t stand it anymore. I needed to step in. That’s what an assistant editor does: I help to clarify site content.
I spend more time in the comments than Sasha does. If a question comes up, Sasha might not see for hours — or ever. I don’t like to leave questions unanswered that long. I can tie up loose ends so Sasha doesn’t have to. That’s another thing an assistant editor does: Take care of the aggravations so the star of the publication can focus on her work.
I disagree with Sasha sometimes. Sasha liked The Artist. I didn’t. I didn’t make any secret about that. Sasha is more lenient with Clint Eastwood’s lesser efforts and likes him more than I do. That’s no secret either.
I could go on, but that’s not what an assistant editor does: Sasha doesn’t need another person on her site who disagrees with some things she writes. There are plenty of you who do that.
Why do you think Sasha and I get along? Why does Sasha put up with me and keep me around? It’s because we mostly do think alike on the major issues. We see a lot of things the same way. We’re compatible as a team.
Does Joe Biden agree with everything President Obama thinks. I seriously doubt they agree on every issue, don’t you?
About which issues does Joe Biden feel differently? Who knows. He would suck as a Vice President if we knew.
“I do still feel that making excuses for Stewart and not saying she didn’t commit a sin makes me sick.”
YOU make ME feel sick.
Who are you to judge people? You are the one who knows that HELL exists.
Okay, okay, I apologize for the “Satan’s Daughter” Remark. It was written out of anger and excitement at the same time.
But, I do still feel that making excuses for Stewart and not saying she didn’t commit a sin makes me sick. I know that is her opinion, I’m just shocked for someone so smart and talented like Sasha, and not to mention female, would say Kristen didn’t do anything wrong. I really understand that the public (including me) and the press hounding her, but don’t make excuses for someone who clearly knows what’s right and wrong.
Denni, please. “Satan’s Daughter”? You should feel ashamed.
I just decided that if I paid 11 bucks to see someone’s movie that I have the right to dictate how that person chooses to live their life.
I assume everyone agrees with me.
@ TO DENNI: From Denni
Ha, well sorry that I used “Adultery” since you’re very smart in the bible sense and all….
HOWEVER, SHE DID COMMIT A SIN BECAUSE SHE KNEW THE MAN WAS MARRIED! I mean come on! You don’t need a Bible or rules to tell you that “Fornicating” with someone who already belongs to somebody is wrong! Under God and under man’s laws!
Honestly, I’m more dissapointed with Sasha for saying and standing by her answer that SHE DID NOT COMMIT A SIN, HE DID…
So in Sasha’s world, it’s okay for a non married girl to sleep with a married guy because he’s the one commiting the sin, not her. What kind of a sick world is that? I understand the hounding of the press towards stewart. But she brought this upon herself. You don’t sleep with someone else’s husband and get caught and not expect any sort of retribution.
To Sasha, I really love your site, and I won’t leave just because you don’t have any moral values. But please, don’t instill your sick, moral-less beliefs to your readers, because honestly, it’s making you look like Satan’s daughter…
“If all this really is none of our business then, truth be told, all of these comments and the article itself should be deleted.”
I think you are right, Kane.
Also, it is a shame that personal attacks come into play when things heat up around here. Ryan and Sasha should never have to suffer unduly for running this “business”. I wish everyone could keep a sober tone and that goes for everyone (on both sides of any given divide).
anyone using arguments derived from religion in a case like this, should be ashamed of themselves
I hope you don’t mean me. I was just trying to explain to some people who think Miss Stewart committed no sins, that some things she might have done are considered sins by most. Some people didn’t seem to be clear when they threw the word sin around about what it actually means to most people who live in this country. This is why I used the word “seems”. It seems like she did certain things and to certain people those things are considered sins. Therefore a statement like “She committed no sin.” is probably not true for a lot of people based on what she’s apologized for. An apology to most people counts as an admission of guilty.
You know. I should say the only place I’ve heard about this story or Kristen Stewart at all since this story broke has been this article. The only other bit I heard after that first day was that Mr. Pattinson moved into Reese’s house. Apart from coming here her, being tormented on the internet or whatever is happening to her wouldn’t come up on my radar. I don’t go to gossip sites unless it’s part of a larger news story like a celebrity death or something similarly major that I usually click on from Google news. If these sorts of stories hurt your feelings it’s easy enough to avoid them. Don’t frequent certain sites and don’t follow certain people on twitter.
This is in no way meant to be offensive but I´m sad that Sacha´s and Ryan´s responses are becoming unnecessary bitter as time passes on… I´ve been reading this blog since 2000 with all its comings and goings but it seems that nowadays just about everything makes you guys angry:(
I´ve been reading this blog since 2000 with all its comings and goings but it seems that nowadays just about everything makes you guys angry:(
Alexandra, I wasn’t angry at all until “Another” called me an imbecile and questioned what sort of families Sasha and I come from.
I think I’m entitled to feel pissed off about that.
If you saw the 3 other comments that I deleted — personal attacks on Sasha and myself — maybe you’d understand why my attitude changed over the course of the day.
Forget “maybe.” I know you’d understand.
How many times has a man been shamed in the media for cheating on his spouse or girlfriend? Let’s see: Charlie Chaplin, Brad Pitt, Ryan Phillipe (pretty much destroyed his career), Hugh Grant, Tiger Woods, Morgan Freeman, Charlie Sheen, Jude Law, Peter Facinelli, Jesse James, Jon Goseelin, Bill Clinton.
How many times has a woman been shamed in the media for cheating on their significant other whether it be husband or boyfriend? Um…
Uh…
Ingrid Bergman, Kristen Stewart… Natalie Portman?
Can’t remember anymore off the top of my head. Yet apparently, according to Sasha, this happens all of the time? And that we shame female celebrities more than male celebrities for this kind of thing?
Dan,
Nice job! I could not agree more! Thanks.
Dan, that was a really well written comment. I do have one disagreement. A lot of people attacking Kristen are those on Twitter, maybe Huff Post, but I’m pretty confident most people that frequent this site are actually pretty attentive of what’s going on. This is AwardsDaily, not Perez Hilton.
Saying that you may feel that people are using Kristen as a way to “externalize our stuff.” I think some point, maybe yesterday, this sort of stopped being about Kristen Stewart are became more about Sasha’s article. It became more about how it was written. It didn’t hit me until 10 minutes ago. I can’t speak for everyone but I personally feel Kristen cheated and it most likely hurt Rob. No, she is not married and yes relationships fall apart and bad things happen. I have been cheated on after being together with someone for 2 years and it hurt more than anything I’ve ever gone through. Sometimes doing something that hurts someone else transcends sin, therefore what is and isn’t sin becomes wholly irrelevant. If someone tells me my girlfriend, who slept with someone else, did not cheat on me because we are not married then I would say, well it still hurts like hell and it’s still wrong. Hurting someone on that level can’t be called right, so it must be called wrong. Saying that I do not agree with Sasha’s statements on a lot of things regarding this, and that’s okay since this is a forum. We are allowed to speak our minds since this article was posted and she must have known that a long debate would ensue. She is young enough to get a second chance in life but old enough to know right from wrong. The fact that she’s been inconsolable tells us she believes she did something wrong. Who are we to tell her otherwise? Because in the end if it’s all none of our business (including mine, including Sasha’s, including the media) then she should get through this on her own. If all this really is none of our business then, truth be told, all of these comments and the article itself should be deleted. Everything here won’t help Kristen make the decision herself. Ive been coming here for over 7 years now, I was pissed when I couldn’t type the web address “oscarwatch.com” and the name changed. I’ve read every article on here for years and I’ve loved the debates. But I feel there’s too much bullying from all sides whether people see it or not. Maybe that’s the beauty of a debate, that an issue can cause us to be this passionate.
Nice comment Dan, thanks!
Well said, Dan.
I’ve yet to see an article that’s attrackted as many responders as this one. No matter how base it is we all like to dip our feet in the slimy waters that’s the tabloid world.
I don’t believe one can write about entertainment, a sphere where the people who work in it by choice of their own or by circumstances are in the public, and expect that NO ONE will give a damn, or judge. It’s what we do as human beings. If one lives ones life in the center of the village , one can’t expect a reasonable degree of privacy. The Stewart case is made worse by the fact that her actions took place almost literaly in the middle of the village. The following press release made even more clear that she wanted to adress the matter publicly, something I think made it even worse.
It is true that most of us make mistakes. But if ever there was a truth in human social life it is that we judge our fellow man, and there is no doubt in my mind that we should. The evaluations of the actions of others is very essential.
To not judge is to deny a basic human instinct.
Things happen, people make choices, marriages fall, relationships break – it happens in everyone’s life without a million people spewing vitriol online about it. Stop using Kristen (above all) to externalize your own stuff. It’s not a matter of exonerating anyone, it’s the fact that an effton of people are slamming Kristen as if she somehow represents something greater than herself, when she does not. If she represents anything at all, it is that she has now become a victim – she is being victimized by hateful spiteful people – like some on this site. She’s a person, no more or less than any other person. If I haddn’t seen all the hatred online directed toward her, I never would have said a word. But the vitriol continues in its misogynistic way, and it’s frankly sickening. It is inauthentic, crude, offensive behaviour. It’s as if some fairytale ideal was shattered for some people – far beyond anything to do with Twilight – the big, far more dangerous and stupid fantasy of perfect romance and domestic bliss and stardom and idolatry of the famous and personal worth, all of which extremely foolish to engage in. Go hound your cheating neighbour, or relative. See how that works for you.
God I have never cussed like that in a post at this site or at any other site for that matter. So my apologies for that.
I will say one more thing. The only people who are innocent in this are Robert and the jerks wife.
Now for those of you who think the behavior is acceptable the question you need to ask yourself is have you ever been cheated on? Do you remember how you felt? Do you remember what the incident caused you too feel? If you can remember what you felt or how it made you feel why would anyone want to cause that same kind of pain to someone else? So before you start holding up behavior as acceptable think about how that behavior can make someone else feel.
I certainly am not going to call someone a sinner. Call them wrong absolutely. Tell them they are both responsible. Absolutely. I don’t care if your 22 or 56. It’s wrong and not because it’s a sin but because what it makes someone else feel.
Reading this text again, what troubles me is not the substance of the message of the article; you would only have a problem with that if you are a religious fundamentalist or a self-righteous moralist, EXCEPT for the ps which is a bit unpleasant and apparently NOT deliberately ironic, since it ACTIVELY exclaims a mindset that the writer thinks is despicable when applied to Stewart!).
No, what troubles me, is the superficiality of the form of the article (epitomized by the double exclamation of “NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS!”) and the gossip-y premise of its publication.
But the real troublesome thing here is perhaps the majority of the commenters verging between religious catechism (anyone using arguments derived from religion in a case like this, should be ashamed of themselves) and, on the other hand, tireless “you go, girl”-sentiments.
If I was Kristen Stewart, I would cringe on both accounts. And, of course, take a good hard look in the mirror.
Dear Biscuit,
I am sooo glad that we have found a person on the “inside” of the story, who knows everything! Seems to me like you have it all figured out. Your posts and those smiliar to it say the same assumptive, nonfactul bs. So tired of hearing about how this thing played out by people who’s sole purpose is to bully and hate. Try thinking of it from your side, how would you feel if people just said unproven things about you all day long and all you can do is read it! Have a nice day spreading lies… oh forgive me! the facts!
Finally an honest article!
Hold your head high Kristen, everybody makes mistakes…
We built this wall to support her, if you want post your message:
http://www.wesupportkristen.com
Thanks for the article, I hope she’ll read it
I’m not sure if this article and these comments are serious. “Stewart” and “talented” should never be in the same sentence. As for whether we have the right to judge her, that is up to us and we shouldn’t be judged if we do. Sanders has been criticized along with Stewart, but he is not the celebrity that Stewart is which is why no one cares about what a mediocre director does. Your message seems to say “if you cheat on your wife you are a scumbag but if you’re the one cheating with him you should not be judged”. Stewart is old enough to know what is right and wrong and what she did is wrong. It’s called morals. To be fair, she most likely had to sleep with the director to get cast as Snow White. The paparazzi complaint is also a joke. Celebrities and athletes get paid millions and millions with paparazzi attention being one side effect. It is part of their job and they know it. Some handle it well, others don’t. This isn’t a new concept by any means, celebrities are looked up to by many (especially in a preteen book series, no matter how bad it is). My morals tell me enough to know that Stewart simply doesn’t have any. If you would do what she did what does that say about your beliefs? We can’t judge Stewart but you can judge others based on one comment they write on a website?
“As for whether we have the right to judge her, that is up to us and we shouldn’t be judged if we do.”
ah, ok. You have the right judge her. But nobody has the right to judge you.
Thanks for making your standards so clear. Both of them.
I don’t care really who did what with whom, sasha, you’re right, it’s nobodies business….I just wish things weren’t made our business…did she REALLY need to make a public apology?
both she and the director are equally culpable …
time to step up and face the music
that being said, shit happens …
not fair to call the director “creepy” without calling her out as well
doing so just makes you look like an apologist for women no matter what they do
Thank You for saying what so many of us wish we could tell her! I hope someone shows this to Kristen. She needs to hear this in spades.
i was quoting Will Ferrel and you erase me??? Very limited freedom of speech in this site… shame
sonny – I didn’t know about the Ferrel thing, didn’t recognize it.
Yours was one of the first comments and I was hoping we could set a higher tone early on. Turns out what you contributed was one of the milder comments.
I misunderstood it. Simple as that. I’ll fix it back.
Wow! What a difference a day makes. Last night i was excited that for the most part people came together to support kristen, i even continued to follow and post till 5am when i closed my eyes with my last defense of that ignorant “trampire” comment from a comedian (whom i like) but i am sure has not led a “sin” free life. Thank you sasha for defending your stance because once again security has been breeched and the holy haters have infiltrated your forum. I am not even going to go there re: the religious stuff, ironically the righteous are the ones who most often sin as they sit next to you on sunday morning praying for forgiveness after their saturday night actions. Was it not the married man who used words as “heavenly” and “pray”? I am seriously disappointed in our unforgiving society and i only hope that young woman gets some support from something. I can not image how alone she must feel in this world. She is a person who bleeds, cries, makes mistakes, gets blows to her self esteem (if she has any left), and is scared. Honestly, all i want to do is give her a hug, maybe because i am a mother or maybe because i am a person who dosen’t want to watch another person suffer as people take piece after piece of her dignity! Goodnight, kristen, may God bless you and keep you safe! And to all of you reading i say the same to you. Please do not say anything negative about that because i have said that to my 7y/o son everynight since he was born.
– As somebody who commplains several posts ago about that dreadful behavior by the gossip media towards Kirsten Stewart, like she was some kind of criminal, I wish I could read all these comments. But I’m too lazy right now and a little bit drunk to do that.
– I just came from a cool night with a bunch of friends and a lot of beer, after I watched “Dark Knight Rises” alone. It’s a f…. masterpiece, and for your that doesn’t like it, please go the hell. It’s a masterpiece and has Tom Conti on it (!).
– Again I didn’t read and the comments, but somebody here must already said that. Stewart’s humilliation looks like a post modern asinine version of “Scatlet Letter” in the current zeitgeist of celebrity culture in the age of Internet. Since the young woman is not married to Pattinson, the use of the “A” don’t make sense, but maybe if the people push the envelope really hard, they must be sucessfull to make her do public appereances using a capital “C” (of “cheater”) in her shirt or dresses.
somebody here must already said that. Stewart’s humilliation looks like a post modern asinine version of “Scatlet Letter” in the current zeitgeist of celebrity culture in the age of Internet.
It took a full 24 hours, but it was Sasha herself who nailed down that implication tonight.
Since the young woman is not married to Pattinson, the use of the “A” don’t make sense, but maybe if the people push the envelope really hard, they must be sucessfull to make her do public appereances using a capital “C” (of “cheater”) in her shirt or dresses.
In fact, funnily enough, Kristen’s alleged sin is the “F” word — fornication. For anybody who enjoys enforcing a moldy term for sex that sounds 3000 years old because it is.
Who among us is not a fornicator?
“Those commandments are in the Old Testament meaning Charlton Heston brought them down from a bush that time he got a perm.”
Antoinette and I have different viewpoints on this issue, but I have to admit, the above line cracked me up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery
my hope is that Tiger Woods and Kristen Stewart make a fuck tape and at the end say “fuck you all, we’re rich and you’re not”
It’s probably the only time either would be honest with their adoring fans.
Hey, I’m a heathen too, I just don’t bother wasting my time engaging in citation and logic with people who don’t care about either.
Lena Dunham is killing feminism because she writes stories where her characters self sabotage themselves by focusing their lives on creepy men.
Kristen Stewart is a feminist martyr because she is self sabotaging herself by focusing her personal life on a creepy man.
And Aaron Sorkin is still awesome even if his shows aren’t.
Lessons I’ve learned from Sasha so far in 2012.
Just on the sin thing. Adultery is one of the big ten. As in commandments. So is coveting your neighbor’s stuff as in wives, husbands, TVs, etc. Those commandments are in the Old Testament meaning Charlton Heston brought them down from a bush that time he got a perm. And I’m fairly certain he was Jewish. So these sins aren’t a Christian or Catholic thing. They come from way before that. When I was a young Catholic I was told personally by my catechism teacher that both parties the married and the unmarried participants in an affair like this would be considered to have committed adultery. Either way she still coveted her neighbor’s husband. So she committed sins. You can infer from reports that Mr. Pattinson was unaware of what happened until the story broke as he left their home and had to move in with Reese Witherspoon, poor thing. That probably means there was some sort of deception. Lying is another of the big ten. So from what I have been taught, it seems that Miss Stewart has committed 3 sins. If you want to judge or not is up to you. I think people generally have interesting interpretations of what judging is and isn’t anyway. As we can see in this thread.
So anyway, people were clearly taught different things. Nobody is stupid.
Rupert should be the one to be called as CHEATER because he’s the one who Is married and have kids not Kristen. Our girl didn’t even admit the she and Rob were together, so technically speaking, she didn’t cheat to anybody or anyone!
Sorry, the Tiger Woods example is entirely applicable. He is a celebrity. Maybe not in Hollywood but he is a male celebrity. And Jesse James got a lot of flack for his scandal, Kat Von D got her fair share as well. This isn’t just about men. Please accept the fact that both parties made a mistake. I do not agree with Kristen getting bullied, everyone deserves a second chance. However I do not agree the man is always the prowler. It takes two.
I think the sentiment of the headline is right — the act is done, she has expressed her feelings about it, and she should move on now. Still, I think fair and reasonable people can look at her behavior and express disapproval of it. (She is a highly public figure who has been chased by papperrazi before, yet still chose to fool around with a married man, outdoors and in daylight. I don’t know how to fully apply Sasha’s viewpoint to this situation. How can my view of Kristin not change after this?) We’re never going to know the particulars of their situations, and we are not entitled to know, and frankly I’m not even that interested in them. But we all pass judgments on people with incomplete information all the time. And that’s not always or necessarily wrong. We benefit from a certain set of social norms and standards, and when behavior falls outside those norms, it’s useful to have discussions about it.
hear! hear!
To Sasha and Ryann’s detractors: when you’re dealing with two imbeciles who clearly don’t understand that it takes two to commit adultery, please realize that it’s pointless to even attempt a rational argument. Anyone who compares running a stop light to devastating a household obviously isn’t worth your time or effort. I won’t even bother touching on the rest of their ridiculous comments. Honestly, what kind of broken households could the two of them have crept out of?
You’re dealing with two imbeciles who clearly don’t understand that it takes two to commit adultery,
You’re a hopeless ignoramus. In both the legal and Biblical sense, if you’re not married you’re not an adulterer. It’s impossible for a single person to be an adulterer. Beyond the Bible and the law, that’s just plain English. It’s vocabulary. Where did you go to school?
The weirdest thing about this page is how two heathens like Sasha and I need to teach fanatics like you a basic Sunday school lesson.
Furthermore, If you’re Muslim, have at it. Open season. A married man is off the hook altogether, regardless of whom he chooses to have sex with
Finally an artical I can agree with! Thank you!!
This is for ALL the people making judgement against Kristen Stewart. Doesn’t it state in the book of Matthew 7:1 – “Do not judge or you will be judged”. Non of us truly knows what happened between Kristen & Rupert except them! So stop judging people!!!!!! Enough is enough.
The pics I saw do not show Kristen & Creepstir Rupert having sex. So stop jumping to conclusions.
Kristen hold you head high because I believe in you! Robsten Forever!!!!
This has been going on for nearly a month, yet tabloids are still digging for more. The press is going overboard. How do they know what R&K were talking over the phone, what Kristen was eating, or whatever the press reported they were doing? They must have amazing “sources”. Just give Kristen a break.
A mistake was made. It was, and is, clearly deeply painful for those immediately involved. Stewart apologized.
Cue the floodgates.
Now, pleasure — actually, great pleasure — is being taken in the literal dismemberment of a 22 year old’s entire sense of self and mental and emotional well being.
And some people around here want to talk “sin.”
Thank you Sasha for owning your opinion and sharing it so others can (hopefully) share theirs just as eruditely.
I have not read all these comments, but all I want to say is that I’m flabbergasted that so many of you believe this PR silliness. It was always a matter of when they would “break up” and who would take the rap. I never believed in their “relationship” in the first place. But I’m disgusted that the PR machinations have concocted this hot mess and letting this girl take the fall. This entire saga is seriously fucked up. Kristen never had an affair with that guy, she never was in a relationship with Pattinson. Wake up people, I thought ya’ll were smarter than that!
“was more confused why she even did a public apology. Why do we need an apology, you didn’t cheat on us! Couldn’t you handled this shit in you own home?”
I believe she tried but was desperate when Rob supposedly cut off contact immediately after she told him. Wouldn’t be surprised if she frantically called up People herself and gave her apology. No other reason. Am sure her publicist wasn’t thrilled with how that went down but again, she must have been hysterical realizing how much she hurt him. I probably would have done the same. She dropped out of Cali, according to new reports which are consistent with others the past few weeks all she cares about is fixing this with Robert. Nobody knows if he’s written her off for good so people can’t say they’re broken up. I liken this to a married couple legally separated. Give it time. They both have lots to sort through independently before any constructive conversation can be had. And thanks Sasha, I agree the bullying is downright ridiculous.
I agree 100%! Well said! All I hope is she reads this and gets the courage to carry on. We love and support you, Kris. Don’t give up!
And how do you know she has no public advocates? Jodie Foster reached out to her in support. You tell us not to assume things about Rob yet you say Kristen is alone in the media to fuel your argument.
And how do you know she has no public advocates? Jodie Foster reached out to her in support. You tell us not to assume things about Rob yet you say Kristen is alone in the media to fuel your argument.
Maybe they are doing so in private but Kristen is now considered fair game for the media vultures and the public, the angry mob, just plays happily along.
Really, Sasha? The man never takes the blame? What about Jesse James cheating on Sandra Bullock? What about Tiger Woods cheating on Elin Nordegren? Will you sit there and say they never got shit?
And yes, being 22 does mean she might be too young to know how disgusting the world is. But what I SAID was that being 22 meant she is old enough to know RIGHT from WRONG.
Really, Sasha? The man never takes the blame? What about Jesse James cheating on Sandra Bullock? What about Tiger Woods cheating on Elin Nordegren? Will you sit there and say they never got shit?
Jesse James – that whole story quickly devolved into it being about the stripper girlfriend. Bullock=America’s sweetheart. The stripper girlfriend is how the public is treating Kristen Stewart. The Tiger Woods example is not applicable.
“Can we please also agree that ‘hold your head high’ doesn’t mean ‘Be Proud!'”
Thank you Ryan! I read through and was going to make this comment, clearly given the number of replies it took a while. She fucked up, she dealt with it with Pattinson. She apologized to the public (which I agree she didn’t have to do). in a perfect world everyone would move on, but society just can’t seem to let an opportunity to be superior and judgmental pass.
“Dissent is ok. It is not dangerous in and of itself. What are you afraid of?”
I’d say Sasha and Ryan aren’t afraid of anything regarding this conversation, considering how many posts are here that criticize them both. If this is truly going to be a conversation, then Sasha gets to participate. Accepting and tolerating those who disagree with you doesn’t mean sitting with hands folded while people tell you you’re wrong or question your morals. And as the owners of this site, they also get to decide when dissenters turn ugly or vicious and need to be put in the penalty box.
^
Thanks MikeS
Just one thing. Sasha is sole owner of Awards Daily.
I’m not legally responsible for any of this!
(“Sanguine temperament, morbidly excitable, periods of gloom, ending in some fixed idea which I cannot make out.” — Bram Stoker’s description of Renfield)
Sasha and Blizzard14-You two are wacked and belong together. The article was nicely written on the behalf of Kristen. This type of stuff happens everyday. The married director should have known better. You are right, she is a seasoned professional and without signals from this older man whom is her director and superior at the time, this would have not even been an issue. He had problems to begin with in his own marriage and has now dragged this young woman into this situation. She will prevail if she stands strong and just excepts her mistake and uses it as a learning tool in her own life.
Sasha and Blizzard14-You two are wacked and belong together. The article was nicely written on the behalf of Kristen.
DJ, meet Sasha, the person who nicely wrote this article on Kristen’s behalf.
🙂
Stick around. It’s less chaotic when you get to know who to trust.
Wow. There’s a lot of names here that I haven’t seen before.
#awardsdailygatecrashedbylunatics
Wow. There’s a lot of names here that I haven’t seen before.
#awardsdailygatecrashedbylunatics
Come for the raw meat. Stay for the grilling.
Thanks, Mattoc, for noticing topics like this attract ants to the picnic. I don’t feel the least remorse for brushing a couple of the more aggressive ones off the table. It’s easy to spot the few intruders whose noise we can do without.
My husband & I say this young woman was seduce by a older scumbag, give her a break, her ex isn’t a saint. She made a mistake, she didn’t kill anyone. Head high we all make mistakes Period
My husband & I say this young woman was seduce by a older scumbag, give her a break, her ex isn’t a saint. She made a mistake, she didn’t kill anyone. Head high we all make mistakes Period
Word!
I was more confused why she even did a public apology. Why do we need an apology, you didn’t cheat on us! Couldn’t you handled this shit in you own home?
I’m more concerned how that Snow White sequel is gonna go. Talk about awkward!
more concerned how that Snow White sequel is gonna go. Talk about awkward!
In film, there’s often an active osmosis between what we know about stars’ private lives and the roles they play onscreen. Happens with actresses more than actors. Marilyn, Judy, Bette, Liz. Crawford, Hepburn, Bacall. I can’t say that I don’t find it fascinating, even though I try to stay aware that it’s a horrible sacrifice these women make to give us such access to their emotional lives.
Man, if you guys and gals are getting upset by this? You weren’t around where there was an almost daily article about racism and that stupid old Meryl Streep winning?
Ya’ll need some stronger stomachs, man. Sasha being so openly opinionated is why I ever come here, if I sometimes it’s a teeth-grinding experience, and Ryan Adams, commentator attack dog can get a bit ruff.
“It sounds like all these so-called reasonable people would like to see Kristen metaphorically stoned to death, just like some countries would have done so, while making the man pay a few dollars in penance. This is utter crap, listening to self-righteous fools sputter hatred at some young woman – a convenient excuse for them to let their secret misogyny out.”
I agree wholeheartedly with Dan. It’s almost surreal to watch the self-righteous smugness and Puritanical venom that shoots out of some people’s mouths (or keyboards) when there’s any sign of non-Jesus sex going on. The witch hunters just grow louder if the person you get to burn at the stake is a young woman.
Besides, who among us hasn’t fooled around a little with a married man before? (Oops, have I said too much?)
She made a mistake. A stupid one, one that could happen with anybody, especially when you’re that young…but it was a mistake. On BOTH their parts. Does she deserve the public lynching? I don’t think so. But also don’t think we need to start shifting blame about sin and oh god the misogynistic media. The shit happen, there was a fallout, and now you gotta move on with your life.
But also don’t think we need to start shifting blame about sin and oh god the misogynistic media. The shit happen, there was a fallout, and now you gotta move on with your life.
You are an idealistic person. Problem is, I know how this stuff goes. That’s why I hope she doesn’t buy into it. She needs to get out there and yes, hold her head high and go on with her life. She won’t be able to stop what’s coming next. This will play out and play out, with every photographer trying to catch doing this or that – it’s going to get ugly. She needs to shift her attitude and not let it stop her from living her life. It is so petty, all of this.
Sasha, I’m not Catholic and therefore will not comment on what the Catholic church does or does not do. My point was that we all sin according to the Christian faith and no one sin is greater than any other. That is all. If you honestly don’t believe she did anything wrong, that is your opinion. If someone goes into a store and steals a loaf of bread and are branded a thief and they get arrested, those are the consequences of their actions. If someone has a boyfriend and is photographed holding his hand one day and then is photographed kissing a married man, two days before that then they will have to face the consequences of their actions. Kristen obviously thought she was wrong since she issued such a candid public apology, which she really didn’t need to do.
I’m sure Kristen Stewart appreciates your support in this mess. It probably won’t be going away anytime soon since she has two movies left to promote this year so I wish you all the best in imploring her to keep her head held high. She’ll need people like you moving forward. That’s all I have to say on this sad situation.
SG, what I know is coming next is an unforgiving judgmental public that will not rest until they see Kristen Stewart punished. Now that Lindsay Lohan and Angelina Jolie have cooled they need a new victim and it’s going to be Kristen Stewart.
Kristen obviously thought she was wrong since she issued such a candid public apology
Can we agree that not every wrong behavior is a sin? I don’t want to go to hell for running a stop light.
Can we please also agree that “hold your head high” doesn’t mean “Be Proud!”
Except in direct reference to Kristen’s work as an actress, nowhere in Sasha’s piece does the word proud appear. But I’ve seen her accused of advising Kristen to “be proud” a dozen times on this page.
What a dumb interpretation of the headline. Doesn’t it make more sense to understand “hold you head high” as “don’t get beaten down”? Seems obvious to me.
But it’s more exciting to go all bug-eyed and jump to the bizarre conclusion that Sasha is saying “Be proud of your indiscretion!” Ridiculous rabid misreading. Anyone who whined about the word “proud” today is a hysterical hothead.
LORD LET KRISTEN STEWART BE GREATFUL FOR BEING BORN WITH PERFECT BEAUTY PERFECT TALENT AND PERECT KNOWLEDGE TO KNOW TO READ ONLY THE COMPLIMENTS!!!! KRISTEN YOUR AMAZING….
@sacha Reading your answer and thinking.. I’m the hysterical one? Whatever
@sacha Reading your answer and thinking.. I’m the hysterical one? Whatever
Just a little, yeah.
I have never seen any of the films nor do I know anything about their caracters in real life so I am by no means a fan but I started to follow the story when I was on holiday two weeks ago and was shocked as to the reaction from the general public .There are a lot of opinions here that have nothing to do with any facts and I think that the people that are writing them should be ashamed of themselves. In light of the fact that the pictures only show the two kissing and putting their arms around each other ( and nothing more )does not give anyone the right to write the trash that I have read in different articles and to condem anyone the way that is happening at the moment. I really think that we are not to judge here ,we should leave them alone to sort it out among themselves . If there is someone out there that has any real facts as to what they supposedly did then make it public if it makes you feel better but think if there was more to it this would have happened already. My personal opinion to what they did does not matter and is irrelevant but I do think that all the people involved need some support in one form or another wether they did right or wrong especially the kids.
Reading your answer and thinking.. I’m the hysterical one? Whatever
Who is fanning the flame, Sasha Stone?
You are the one who chose to run this story. Take responsibility for it. And let people disagree. You are indeed the “business owner”, so make a healthy business out of it (that doesn’t include hunting down all dissenters).
You do these stories to incite and provoke. You have admitted as much. So as I said, take responsibility. If you want to turn this site into whatever fits your political agenda, fine. But then let people discuss and debate this.
Dissent is ok. It is not dangerous in and of itself. What are you afraid of?
You chose to run the story, so you should be the first to accept and tolerate the responses. I am not asking you to savor every response, of course not. Just ignore them, if they seem wrong to you. It is seldom that I see any hate speech on this site, but if it is there, sure, you need to step in and delete those posts. Other than that? A part of a good, democratic debate (since this is a “business”, maybe you are not interested in “democratic discussion”, I don’t know?) is to accept and tolerate dissent and disagreements.
Also, this is a film site, right? We come here because we cherish a forum where we can debate what excites us the most. You could make it about movies, it is solely up to you. You make the shots.
If you deliberately want to make this site about something else, feel free to do that. But accept that a lot of users, won’t like it or cheer you for it.
You are the one who chose to run this story. Take responsibility for it. And let people disagree. You are indeed the “business owner”, so make a healthy business out of it (that doesn’t include hunting down all dissenters).
Hunting down? Hardly.
Also, this is a film site, right? We come here because we cherish a forum where we can debate what excites us the most. You could make it about movies, it is solely up to you. You make the shots.
Whenever people threaten me with “a lot of readers” don’t like this or that – you think I don’t know that? I’ve been doing this for 13 years. I’ve seen a lot of readers come and go. They agree, they disagree, whatever. It’s your choice to stay or go. This is nothing compared to how bad it will get come Oscar time so if you don’t like me now chances are you’re going to hate me in a couple of months. Might not want to get too comfortable, I guess.
I’m a Christian and yes what Kristen Stewart did is a sin. Lying is a sin. Cheating is a sin. Coveting what is not yours is a sin. Fornication is a sin. Technically, gossiping like everyone is doing on this site right now is a sin. But, we are all sinners and sin everyday so that is a moot point.
Sasha, I really do respect you but really? These are first world problems. This is not the worst thing that could have happened to Kristen Stewart and she largely caused this situation by putting herself in a position that she should never have been in in the first place.
She is young, attractive, privileged and wealthy. There are single mothers who can’t feed their children in this country. There is a girl out in the world who is probably being abused at this very moment. You keep saying that this is no one’s business but yet you are spending a considerable amount of time commenting on this issue.
The only way this is going to go away is if people stop talking about it and start focusing on more important things and right now it feels like you are just feeding into the general frenzy.
You hate how this went down…ok fight back in your own way because you can only control yourself. You can’t control what millions of people think or do. Change starts with you. You hate the way our society is and how celebrities are treated. Then don’t buy rag magazines, don’t click on webloid articles, don’t look at the photos that were released and choose to give all parties their due respect by ignoring the scandal and championing their careers instead of their personal lives.
SG, you don’t have to lecture me about what to do – most of my time and energy does not go to celebrity causes. But I felt like Kristen Stewart was being bullied by the press and by the fans who were buying into the nonsense. So I said something publicly because I have a website and I can. Normally I would have just posted this to facebook or my own personal blogs. But I know that there are a lot of fans of both of them who read this site. So I put my energy where I thought it would do the most good. As to “sins” and christianity – the Catholic church lost all cred with me when they covered up priests molesting children for decades, maybe centuries. How do you know she lied? What did she lie about? Were you standing there when she had a conversation with RPatz? Her unholy union with Pattison was already a sin also because they weren’t married, ya? I guess that’s not a convenient sin, though.
I was happy to read this article. I have never cheated on anyone, but I can attest that it is easy to be swayed by men decades older than you who are in a position of power or are your boss (no, I never have had an affair with a boss, thank GOD, but someone sure tried and it was a very confusing time for me and I thankfully was able to sidestep it all, but it was extremely difficult, especially since I was very young. It is a big mistake to make. I’m sorry for everyone involved (except perhaps, Rupert). I still like Kristen and I would go see more of her films. I thought it was very very big of her to apologize publicly right away like that. Come on, doesnt anyone remember Clinton? It was refreshing not to see someone drag the public and the country through the mud of their lies. That was yuck, major yuck. Odd to see how many people who dislike Kristen are eating out of Clinton’s hand. I hope Kristen and Rob can come back from this, and however it works out, I wish them well.
It sounds like all these so-called reasonable people would like to see Kristen metaphorically stoned to death, just like some countries would have done so, while making the man pay a few dollars in penance. This is utter crap, listening to self-righteous fools sputter hatred at some young woman – a convenient excuse for them to let their secret misogyny out. That’s what it looks like to me. If you ever doubted the airwaves were still full of misogyny, you’ve only to look at the rabid vitriol coming from people’s mouths about Kristen. Don’t you see how this makes the haters look a thousand times worse than Kristen, who’s appology was at least clear and honest.
Disappointing responses from one of my favourite sites. I’m so glad Sasha and Ryan are in charge, and not these maniacs.
“Well, believe it. We do stand on principle, which usually gets us in trouble but that’s the beauty of being the business owner.”
What principle? She cheated for God’s sake! What kind of world are we living in?
What principle? She cheated for God’s sake! What kind of world are we living in?
What are you getting so pissed off about? Why do you care? It’s HER life. If you want to live a moral life, good for you. You don’t ever cheat or ever cheat with anyone – yay! The moral authority. But keep it to yourself. Decide if you like her as an actress or not. The rest is not for you to judge. You get that, right? You understand the notion of a right to privacy? You know nothing of A) her relationship with RP, B) what or how this whole supposed affair went down. So all you are doing is fanning the flames of hate and getting shrill and hysterical over something that has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with you.
i’ve noticed that on twitter, some of the twilight fans are mad at pattinson for not making a public statement, or sticking up for kristen. well he shouldn’t have to to tell the public anything. it’s between him and stewart, they don’t owe their fans anything. i think stewart’s apology made it worse, and like i said before bad move from her pr team. it just threw fuel on the fire. i do agree that the public needs to back off, and let them work things out for themselves. however, to the fans don’t blame pattinson and liberty sanders. they didn’t do anything.
Since you are a non-Christian, Sasha, what are you basing this statement (“YES SHE COMMITTED A SIN
She did not. He did.) on.
Bottomline: Kristen Stewart is just as much at fault as the director. They caused pain to their significant others/family. And that is that.
Since you are a non-Christian, Sasha, what are you basing this statement (“YES SHE COMMITTED A SIN
She did not. He did.) on.
Because she didn’t commit adultery, he did.
“She’s 22 years old. That’s too young to really know how disgusting this world is.”
So when does adulthood start Sasha? 40? Come one now. This is absurd.
So when does adulthood start Sasha? 40? Come one now. This is absurd.
You’d have to be a 22 year-old girl to understand.
— “She’s 22 years old. That’s too young to really know how disgusting this world is.”
— “So when does adulthood start Sasha? 40? Come one now. This is absurd.”
It’s got nothing to with the legal drinking age, Sam. Hell, I fully expect to be experiencing fresh shocks of disgust about the world well into my nineties. I hope to god I never stop being shocked into learning brutal new lessons. I’m lucky to have been shielded from so much so far, and didn’t yet turn as crusty and cold as you are. You seem to be enjoying this sad spectacle, gloating and licking your chops while the Hollywood transgressors are eaten alive by hyenas.
I can’t believe this is Awards daily.. the best site on the internet ever turned to this? I’m in shock of Sacha’s opinion on this.. and I feel like I have to ask for forgiveness before Ryan attacks me too..
I can’t believe this is Awards daily.. the best site on the internet ever turned to this? I’m in shock of Sacha’s opinion on this.. and I feel like I have to ask for forgiveness before Ryan attacks me too..
Well, believe it. We do stand on principle, which usually gets us in trouble but that’s the beauty of being the business owner.