Here are your winners for the 2023 Writers Guild of America (WGA) awards:
ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
Everything Everywhere All At Once
Written by Daniel Kwan & Daniel Scheinert; A24
ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
Women Talking, Screenplay by Sarah Polley, Based upon the Book by Miriam Toews; Orion Pictures/MGM
DOCUMENTARY SCREENPLAY
Moonage Daydream
Written by Brett Morgen; Neon
LIMITED SERIES
The White Lotus
Written by Mike White; HBO/HBO Max
DRAMA SERIES
Severance
Written by Chris Black, Andrew Colville, Kari Drake, Dan Erickson, Mark Friedman, Helen Leigh, Anna Moench, Amanda Overton; Apple TV+
COMEDY SERIES
The Bear
Written by Karen Joseph Adcock, Joanna Calo, Rene Gube, Sofya Levitsky-Weitz, Alex O’Keefe, Catherine Schetina, Christopher Storer; FX Networks
NEW SERIES
Severance
Written by Chris Black, Andrew Colville, Kari Drake, Dan Erickson, Mark Friedman, Helen Leigh, Anna Moench, Amanda Overton; Apple TV+
EPISODIC COMEDY
“The One, The Only” (Hacks)
Written by Lucia Aniello & Paul W. Downs & Jen Statsky; HBO/HBO Max
EPISODIC DRAMA
“Plan and Execution” (Better Call Saul)
Written by Thomas Schnauz; AMC
COMEDY/VARIETY TALK SERIES
Last Week Tonight with John Oliver
Senior Writers Daniel O’Brien, Owen Parsons, Charlie Redd, Joanna Rothkopf, Seena Vali Writers Johnathan Appel, Ali Barthwell, Tim Carvell, Liz Hynes, Ryan Ken, Mark Kramer, Sofia Manfredi, John Oliver, Taylor Kay Phillips, Chrissy Shackelford; HBO/HBO Max
COMEDY/VARIETY SPECIALS
Jerrod Carmichael: Rothaniel
Written by Jerrod Carmichael; HBO/HBO Max
COMEDY/VARIETY SKETCH SERIES
Inside Amy Schumer
Writers Amy Schumer, Dan Powell, Georgie Aldaco, Rosebud Baker, Jeremy Beiler, Cazzie David, Tova Diker, Rachel Feinstein, Derek Gaines, Jon Glaser, Jaye McBride, Tim Meadows, Christine Nangle, Brandon Pierce, Tami Sagher, Yamaneika Saunders, Sascha Seinfeld, Joe Strazzulo, Sydnee Washington, Ron Weiner; Paramount+
QUIZ AND AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION
Baking It
Writers Neil Casey, Chad Carter, Jessica McKenna, Zach Reino; Peacock
CHILDREN’S EPISODIC, LONG FORM AND SPECIALS
“Prison or Palace” (Life by Ella)
Written by Hernan Barangan; Apple TV+
DAYTIME DRAMA
Days of Our Lives
Head Writer Ron Carlivati Writers Lorraine Broderick, Jazmen Darnell Brown, Joanna Cohen, Carolyn Culliton, Richard Culliton, Cheryl Davis, Kirk Doering, Christopher Dunn, Jamey Giddens, David Kreizman, Ryan Quan, Dave Ryan, Katherine D. Schock; NBC
RADIO/AUDIO DOCUMENTARY
“Like a Lion With No Teeth” (Crime Show)
Written by Emma Courtland & Cat Schuknecht; Gimlet Media
ANIMATION
“Rectify” (Undone)
Written by Elijah Aron & Patrick Metcalf; Prime Video
DOCUMENTARY SCRIPT – CURRENT EVENTS
“Lies, Politics and Democracy” (Frontline)
Written by Michael Kirk & Mike Wiser; PBS
DOCUMENTARY SCRIPT – OTHER THAN CURRENT EVENTS
“Episode Two: An American (1775 – 1790)” (Benjamin Franklin)
Written by Dayton Duncan; PBS
SHORT FORM NEW MEDIA
Three Busy Debras
Written by Sandy Honig, Mitra Jouhari, Sarah Sherman, Alyssa Stonoha, Diana Tay, Evan Waite; Adult Swim
TV & NEW MEDIA MOTION PICTURES
Honor Society
Written by David A. Goodman; Paramount +
DIGITAL NEWS
“How Oregon’s Prison System Retaliated Against Its Most Effective Jailhouse Lawyer”
Written by Jessica Schulberg; HuffPost.com
NEWS SCRIPT – REGULARLY SCHEDULED, BULLETIN, OR BREAKING REPORT
“The Water Crisis in Jackson, Mississippi” (CBS Evening News with Norah O’Donnell)
Written by James Hutton, Rob Rivielle; CBS News
ON AIR PROMOTION
“CBS Celebrates Juneteenth”
Written by Justin DiLauro; CBS News
RADIO/AUDIO NEWS SCRIPT – REGULARLY SCHEDULED, BULLETIN, OR BREAKING REPORT
“Hail And Farewell: Saluting 5 Who Made A Difference”
Written by Gail Lee; CBS Radio
RADIO/AUDIO NEWS SCRIPT – ANALYSIS, FEATURE, OR COMMENTARY
“What I Wish I Knew Before I Started IVF” (The Waves)
Written by Cheyna Roth; Slate
To the Academy, it apparently isn’t enough to screw with legit great sci fi flms over the past 45 years that never had a chance to win BP, freezing them out of top-line categories
They’re also twisting the knife by saying you werent good enough to break the brick ceiling, but THIS steaming pile is going to be the first to do so in its genre.
if nothing else you are consistent with your meltdown. it’s quite a spectacle.
I root for sci-fi and/or fantasy driven films as well. Why does it bother you then when it (sci-fi) finally got the foot in the door? Pray tell.
Because this pales in comparison to those movie that are legitimate classics.
Yet the theme is philosophically sound more so than most sci-fi’s that deal with outdated models of thinking.
There’s only one possible reply I can do…
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I remember when this site came about more than 20 years ago. I have, since then, left a few comments over the years, here and there, for movies I was passionate about. Not many, as I am more of a reader than a writer. This year for instance I have not participated in any of the intense debates about the awards season, although I have been attentively reading everybody’s take.
Finally, after everything that’s happened in the last few weeks, and as we are only a few days away to the Oscars, I thought I would leave my little write-up to sum up my opinion (it is only that, an opinion).
First I suppose I should participate here by showing my cards from the beginning, e.g. my favorite movie of 2022 is Tár, I am probably one of the seventeen people on this planet who saw and enjoyed Fincher’s Mank in 2020, and the movie I am most excited about in 2023 is Nolan’s Oppenheimer. So I think with those 3 brushstrokes you can figure out where I sit in terms of taste for movies (I’m not saying my taste is good or bad, it just is what it is).
Based on the above, you probably would not put me as the target audience for a film like Everything Everywhere All At Once. I watched it in an outdoor cinema with hundreds of people in the audience, mostly Asian (I live in Asia). When I did, I had not heard much about it. At the time, I only had heard that it was a movie for the younger generations and was getting word of mouth quickly. And I have to say that it was by far my most memorable cinema experience in 2022. I repeat, Tár is my number one film (for reasons I will explain later), but EEAAO did something that not many movies do: it surprised me (for the better), it entertained me (I had not had as much fun in a movie for a long time) and it moved me in different occasions. I left the projection energized and, what I think is more important, I told people about it the next day. I may love a movie like Mank, but I do not tell everybody I come across about it because I have some awareness of the world I live in and I know my work colleagues (to name a group of people) could not care less about Citizen Kane and the Hollywood in the 40’s.
The important thing here is that at the time I watched EEAAO my experience was not spoiled (luckily) by awards conversations, opportunities at the Oscars or anything of the like. It was pure joyful cinema without any further implications. Did I leave thinking that EEAAO is a masterpiece and a crowning achievement of this art we all enjoy? No. But I did love it enough to think that it was a very good movie, a great movie, and a true original.
The second time I watched it, I have to say that the emotional notes did not hit that hard again, which makes me think that the surprise factor benefits the movie. But that doesn’t mean that I acknowledge that this is a film that will be remembered, given the cultural impact it already has. I can see it in all the younger folks I know and it reminds me of the years when cinema had meaning for audiences.
All of the above is to explain that, even if I would vote for Tár (maybe another comment is due to expand on my love for this movie and why it is my number one, but this is becoming too long already), not only I understand EEAAO’s success so far in the awards season, but I am happy for it. It hits all the right notes: it is a box office success that brought younger audiences to cinemas and made them excited about original stories again. It doesn’t take itself too seriously and at the same time has a simple (not simplistic) and hopeful outlook on the human experience in today’s world. Other movies in contention this year have many other merits worth mentioning too, but I don’t understand those who use these as weapons against another movie. Instead, we should all just enjoy the brilliance of Banshees of Inisherin, All Quiet On The Western Front etc.
Enjoy movies, don’t use them as weapons against other movies.
Lastly, on the Cate Blanchett & Michelle Yeoh dilemma. Again, if my movie is Tár I think it is fair to assume that one of the reasons is Blanchett, who is literally in every frame. And again, I would not think of using Blanchett’s performance as a weapon against another performance. Would I vote for Blanchett? Yes. I think her performance will be shown for years to come in acting classrooms all over the world, if it is not being used already. From a technical and tonal point of view, it is perfect.
Would I be mad if she loses to Yeoh? No. Yeoh is a worthy winner, even though her performance is dramatically different from Blanchett’s. While the latter comes from the intellect, the former clearly comes from the heart, and it is one of the main reasons why EEAAO works. Without Yeoh’s performance, EEAAO is doomed to fail. Blanchett is accurate to the point of madness, Yeoh is physical and emotional. Blanchett is the performance cinephiles will most likely keep with them, but Yeoh is the one that audiences will most likely remember in the future… why? because we humans are wired towards emotions (Yeoh) even more strongly than to conceptual ideas (Blanchett). What Yeoh did is not an easy feat so I would not dare diminish her work by saying that her acting was not good enough. It was perfect acting for the movie she was in, and it helped the movie be what it is. That is a massive achievement.
I just realized how long this comment ended up being, so I will leave it here. Whatever happens at the Oscars, I will watch Tár and EEAAO many times again in the future, and I will continue enjoying them for different reasons. And that is why we love movies I suppose.
Feature worthy!
Seconded.
Fantastic comment. Cheers 🙂
I read every single word and I APPLAUD YOU! Thank you for sharing your experience with us!
Thank you for sharing. This comment is in no way to attack any of the Best Picture nominees, but rather to share my experience with them as well as how I felt about the corresponding film’s acting nomination chances once I saw it:
All Quiet on the Western Front: This film is one of only a few of the Best Picture nominees to crack my top ten. It has everything you want in a war film: action, spectacle, and heart. Because I tend to gravitate towards films with strong character development, I would’ve liked more of that, but really a fantastic film. I was impressed with Kammerer’s performance so much that I penciled him in at #5.
Avatar: The Way of Water: I made sure to see this film in IMAX because I missed out on that experience with the first film. I like my cinema as fake as possible, i.e., I turn off motion smoothing on my TV so that metal doors of vehicles still look like they are made of metal and not plastic. Accordingly, some of the action sequences, which were epic, sometimes took me out because I could see the scene as a film shoot. I felt the film as a whole was successful, but perhaps relied too heavily on themes from the original. No acting nominations were expected.
Elvis: Above all, I would say that I learned a lot from this film because I am not a fan of Elvis, and it was interesting to me to learn about his life. I was impressed with Austin Butler, and I knew he was a shoe-in for a nomination. This being his first, I do have a hard time not seeing Butler have to overcome the “slap the stud” phenomena that plays out in Best Actor often, where an actor has to have multiple nominations under their belt before the Academy recognizes them, e.g., DiCaprio, Pitt, etc. (and I am partial to Brendan Fraser’s performance in The Whale). Conversely, I was a bit afraid that Tom Hanks could also get recognized for what I feel may be his worst performance to date. The character he played was unlikeable, but he was unlikeable in it.
Everything Everywhere All at Once: I enjoyed this film in the theatre, but I ultimately felt (and still feel) like it is trying to accomplish too much and in so doing, lost me on some points. I felt Yeoh’s was the strongest chance for a nomination, although I really appreciated Hsu’s performance (I thought she would be overlooked) and Curtis’s was so nuts that I thought hers could also gain some traction. I thought nothing of Quan’s except that I Googled him after to confirm that he was the actor I thought he was.
Tár: I enjoyed how the story unfolded, but I found some elements ultimately didn’t work for me, e.g., the use of text messages by an off-screen actor, the set-up of her downfall, and the ingenue disappearing inexplicably into an abandoned building. Blanchett is of course amazing, and there was no question to me that she would be nominated. I felt the next strongest portrayal was that of Merlant, but I knew she would have trouble gaining any traction. I loved Hoss, but her role was much more subdued than the latter, so again I knew traction would be difficult.
The Banshees of Inisherin: Much of this film was lost on me. I enjoyed Gleeson’s performance and that of Condon. Farrell remains a serviceable actor in a serviceable role. I really do think people think he’s attractive and conflate that with his skill.
The Fabelmans: I enjoyed this film, it came in at #6 for me, but the wink wink at the end wasn’t a super satisfying ending for me. Williams seemed more fit for supporting than lead, but even so, and I commented about this here recently, I didn’t fully understand her character. I knew LaBelle didn’t have a chance, and I felt Hirsch’s was based on his career as a whole.
Top Gun: Maverick: This was a perfectly serviceable film on a known quantity that hit all the right notes of the original. It did not need Academy recognition outside of crafts.
Triangle of Sadness: For me, this film came off disjointed in that it is really two separate films that are fused together: the first on the ship, the second on the island. It didn’t fully work for me, especially the open ending, but I did laugh a lot. DeLeon was MVP, with no chance for Harrelson or Dickinson to be nominated. I am surprised it made the Best Picture lineup without DeLeon. R.I.P. Charlbi Dean <3
Women Talking: My absolute favorite film of the year. I am shocked at how poorly it was treated after Telluride. I do believe it is a case of male critics dragging down a film by a woman about women--using the complaint about subdued color tones as a starting point. Somehow it also had the misfortune of having its name flubbed at the SAG awards by a man who has been convicted of racist hate crimes twice (!!). What a disgrace.
Anyway, I cried multiple times watching the film, and I was particularly moved by the performances of Jessie Buckley, Claire Foy, and Judith Ivey. Thankfully, it made it in Best Picture and looks to be the one to beat for Adapted Screenplay, but it should also be winning: Best Picture and Best Supporting Actress.
With no BAFTA screenplay nomination… I don’t know… I don’t know if I’ll be able to bring myself to bet against that. Very unclear.
WT, you mean?
Yup. I’ve decided WT will likely win (so it will be my intuitive prediction), but All Quiet is clearly the industry evidence favorite. Because of this and the massive general BAFTA strength shown.
Great comment, sir!
I did. 3 times rewatched, analyzed, thought plenty about it. Only grows and grows as a film worthy of conversation for the all time greatest.
Stats experts, what’s the most variances from the guilds that we’ve seen in the preferential era. I personally find it difficult to believe that EEAAO is going to win 10 Oscars, but this guild romp has been historic.
We have to wonder how much of those guilds are members of the Academy.
Enough of an overlap to make the guilds the most important precursor.
Moonlight’s only guild wins were WGA and Supporting Actor.
You could argue that Banshees and AQOTWF not being eligible for WGA leaves them in the hunt, I guess.
Maybe, but the PGA/SAG losses were awful
Ali won SAG the Moonlight year, didn’t he?
He did.
The last time Best Picture winner won more than 4 Oscars was when The Artist won 5. So I’m predicting 5 Oscars for EEAAO. The same categories it won at the CCA.
Why stop at The Artist? I would use The Hurt Locker, the first BP under the current expanded ballot era, as a ceiling. THL won 6.
No film that won Best Picture won two acting oscars in the current expanded ballot era. Just one. That is why I predict 5 Oscars.
But no film has won as many guilds as EEAAO in the entire history of guild awards, so what’s a 13 year tradition?
Women Talking did not register with me at all. I found a few things somewhat ridiculous in the movie. I wish with this cast that Polley assembled, the movie had been better.
She Said should’ve won this.
EEAAO just won Guild of Music Supervisor Award for This is A Life, beating out songs from Elvis, Top Gun, and Black Panther among the 10 nominees.
Okay wtf is going on lol
Naatu Naatu
Not the point
You mean Naatu Naatu the point.
i see what you did there
For the record, Anton Monsted of ”Elvis” did win Best Music Supervision for Film Budgeted Over $25 Million, beating out ”Wakanda Forever,” ”TAR,” ”Glass Onion,” etc.
Dahling reading is fundamental: EEAAO won the “music” category for under $25 millions while as you said Elvis won the over $25 millions. My focus was EEAAO ALSO won song for “the is a life” in second category. So it won 2.
I saw that. But I was pointing out that ”Elvis” won an award, too!
I have been saying for a while that Song is very open and the love for EEAAO might be enough for it to win.
I just realized like literally every single category that EEAAO nominated for Oscar’s has all won the respective guild awards they were up for… WTF
Yeah, that’s astonishing/insanity (pick one according to taste).
one of the songwriters is living legend David Byrne… that’s what happens.
Stat
In the past 35 years, the only film that won Best Picture that was under the Comedy/ Musical category and also won more than one acting Oscar was Shakespeare in Love.
you never answered my question to your other thread and you are still pushing this “comedy” thing. Is EEAAO a true comedy though? What is your thought about that?
2023 ACE Eddie Awards: ‘Top Gun: Maverick’ Takes Top Drama Honors, ‘Everything’ Takes Comedy
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that is not your thought. that is ACE Eddie Award’s thought. you are thoughtless? mindless? If you don’t have a thought, it’s okay. Just trying to get your opinion, but seems like you just like to copy & paste, which equates to SPAM.
EEAAO is definitely a comedy.
yes, it was hilarious when Jobu tried to end the multiverse because of her utter depression
I liked the bit with the racoon. Nice setup and payoff.
EEAAO could be consider a dramedy… a drama full with comedic elements but never a full blown comedy… despite all weirdness it never loses focus of the drama at core
Yeah, but not that many comedy/musical nominees win the Oscar, anyway.
You’re grasping.
A Stat no one considers – for the last 3 years, the winner was in my top 2 choices.
So that means that either Banshees or TAR will win.
last 3 years out of the what 75+ years of Oscars. love your sarcasm gorl
I still think EEAAO is topping out at 4
Picture, Director, Supporting Actor, Editing
Same here.
Did the movies that won 4 or fewer in the preferential era so far, which probably are the reason you say this, win this many guilds, though?! Were they strong contenders in this many categories? I don’t see it going that way at all. This streak of <=4 for the BP winner will evidently break at some point (it's just a streak, we've had preferential winners with 5, 6 or more wins before, both in the 30's/40's and in the first two years of the current run) and I'd be quite surprised if it wasn't this year.
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Further more my heart has hardened further AGAINST EEAAO there FAR LESS praising this compared to crouching Tiger or parasite 2 films I was impressed with despite Oscar going overboard in how much they won at Oscars more than they should have …esp the Gladiator year .
When I say far less I mean the ONE public portal that to me represents the TRUE snapshot of overall cross section of film goers demographically.
Sentiment lot more than EVER amongst most of YOU is so not in favour of EEAAO winning most you seem know be aware what truly constitutes deserved best pic winner as opposed what is selling most us out.
It favouritism is ONLY elevated by the lgbtiq inclusivity.. on top of hybrid Asian American dominant cast not racist is truth of it.. if it had mainstream American actors no lgbtiq references ? I GUARANTEE YOU POINTY END AWARDS SEASON WOULD NOT GO HELL FOR LESTJER SO STUBBOTNLY SO BLINDY . WAY THEY HAVE HEAD OVER HEELS FOR FILM THAT WORKS BEST BY FAR WHRN U PUT USLF ON A DAMN ACID TRIP ( HEAVEN FORBID !)
inclusively is now the blood soaked mallot with which Oscar and the Guilds wield reaped off their growing casualties list of highly critically acclaimed mainstream cinema.. and right now more than EVER Guilds and Awards season he’ll bent on bludgeoning silent majority of us with their bloodsoaked mallot ..they wield to self validate and justify their vain selling out of their soul their true values still.part of AMPAS choosing ignore it only push us further away. For these values is what AMPAS needs reconnect with us . We are integral to cineplexes survival no cineplexes NO ACADEMY .. and lowering of bar here soooo severe EEAAO is hit but not impressive at all… Top 25 not bottom 25 best independent films is fair threshold lowering bar like Oscar us only reinforce how determined they are push us away some here don’t like this fact bring reinforced but to lot us we know Oscar abandoned us… and most us do NOT accept it .
Therefore IF EEAAO is win best picture. Then it actually in Oscars interest to NOT follow through match all their guild wins doesn’t deserve all guild wins and may help academy on their inevitable post mortem road rebuild our trust if following happens on Oscar night.
It ‘best’ possible outcome on otherwise sorry night to come of worst case scenarios most of us.
EEAO at BEST can win 4 Oscars NO more ! Picture, director , supp Actress, and score . But I prefer it win maximum if 3- pic, director , supp Actress
Top Gun Maverick ought to win 3 sound, editing, song ( should win adapted Screenplay but won’t)
Elvis ought win 3 – cinematography prod design costume design – prob will
Least that way such outcome reassure most us that Oscar not buying into activist PC moralising crusade only not totally forgetting bout us. Any LESS what I said above will seriously WOUND Oscars standing most us lot more
5 yes before the centenary question HAS be asked HOW FAR Oscar seek to exclude themselves from engaging mostvus we not in past we here we are majority IGNORE US GUILDS AND OSCARS AT YOUR OSN PERIL final warning cos I know what happened next.
ALL MY fears predictions over last 14 yrs come true I knew social activism would push Obama to go far left keep pushing . I knew election Trump see same activists go feral exploiting his win reek payback on other institutions like the academy and invade the Guilds.. I knew pref ballot before started reflect in awards season outcomes be way to game the system I was right delivering excuse for bottom 4 outside top 2 leapfrog top 2 spots on every category on ballot …
And I had sick feeling even before that when expanded 10 best pic category done in knee jerk disgraceful response year AFTER dark knight snub seriously they could avoided that by expanded best pic slot in year dark knight was tocompete inexcusable.
Then we’ll academy caved to anti Trump extremities after Trump lost bid for election and since stubborn frozen themselves in time capsule of resentments grievances sucked in to black hole of anger and whinnying and bleating of social media extremes that now at core of Oscars considerations that NOT WHAT AMPAS ought to stand for.
There you go, no double major guild winner besides EEAAO!… And All Quiet on the Western Front, the dark horse, maybe just showed final vote-weakness in the American industry phase by losing ACE. (It also has strong opposition in screenplay, the only other above-the-line award it can win besides picture, since BFCA and WGA didn’t split, not to mention that Women Talking also won Scripter.)
BP looks about as locked as one is ever likely to see.
And I have that unofficial “stat”, that in order to seriously contend for the BP prize, you must have at least one lock/strong front runner status in an above-the-line* category.
AQ’s flirt with Adapted Screenplay is not nearly enough.
* Foreign Language Film category doesn’t qualify as a ATL in this metric.
Yup, exactly what I was driving at with that comment about Women Talking being very stiff opposition for it in screenplay, at the very least. 🙂 I remembered your very good point about having an above-the-line win locked…
This doesn’t mean Claudio u need accept it I know u not big fan of EEAAO stat’s aside right ?
Claudio u do realise path Oscar headed on only goanna drive people away .. no justification for this madness that EEAAO since era of SAG introduced breaks records above beyond likes of far greater cinema achievements like : Silence of the Lambs? Schilnder’s List? Dances with Wolves? Shawshank redemption ? LA confidential? Fargo? Apollo 13?
Don’t you believe putting u stat’s viewpoint aside there be plenty among Oscar that this year’s alarming sweep undeserved for EEAAO cos we know beyond doubt Guilds with AFTRA in sag and dga and pga experimentation with including social activism as their influencers behind scenes they sold themselves out considering extent likes of Elvis Top Gun Maverick the fabelmans been sidelined swept away films MORE people loved than EEAAO that this lead to major fallout in aftermath this awards season ? What then will Guilds and AMPAS start to crush dissent those that speak for most what we stand for ? EEAAO DOES NOT reflect broader film goers sentiment moat us know this.. except insulat ignorant increasingly arrogant selfish Guilds and a ademy ey? Interested mate know u thoughts? What point u agree ?
Well, EEAAO is a pretty popular movie that did well at the box-office. I don’t think its win is a problem in that sense. I’m not a big fan (rewatch pending), but that’s another story…
and yet not as popular as most other movies it is with must bother you bit given your wisdom and insight surely persistent sidelining of TRUE inclusive films namely best pic contenders that connect at vaster level to MORE film goers than EEAAO did you know it not even in top 25 independent grossing films for theatrical release eeaao doesnt measure up to crouchign tiger or parasite that fair comparison see?
Yeah, it’s not the most popular, I guess… (Although with awards voters, clearly, it is.)
We need to not make excuses my dear fellow for reconsidering nevessarily well depends mate as u know sometimes oscar decision can sway our thinking but fact they fail to do so more often than not is representing and alarming chism between public sentiment and oscars choice let face it it alarming chism overall ey? I show you this list my dear friend…
Hope you been well..you see..why i big about raising the bar not lowering it for what GUILDS AND OSCARS expectations SHOULD bve for wide theatrical release in the US it really honestly baffles me reluctance for EEAAO to be opened as much if not wider in interntational markets…I beginning to think the Daniels may KNOWN covertly that themes and manner of presentation would pander in their style to new young hip activist generation of voters in academy… perhaps i been too soft on notion that Daniels never expected do oscar contender i think i know this might be bit harsh evne for you Claudio sadly the Daniels found a way to exploit this youngest demographic oscar and guilds blindly accepted embraced as part of their memebership and voting capacity expansion in a m,ad rush they DID RUSH IT
Claudio when we look at oscar winners and volume of oscar noms for ty[pe calibre of films pander to these young fresh membership oscar and guilds harp on more than they should be – given you know well i do MOST FILM GOERS attend in most countries esp major ones gobally are in fact 35-55 y.o. NOT as academy and guilds make out the 18- under 34 yo!!
Can you see extent oscar nad guilds are turning the gulf between overall public sentiment vs there own into the next grand canyon?
How you feel about that forget what EEAAO will win we not obliged to accept it i def wont…how you feel bout way race trend away from films you truly love?
If i not mistaken you regard Fabelmans as one Spilelbergs biggest masterpieces in recent times this right?
“Yes” on the Fabelmans question. As for the Oscars moving away from my favorites… I’m used to it. 🙂 I don’t care that much – I can’t change it. I like that Oscar movies remain, on average, quality product. So the Oscars are still relevant to me – in that and other ways. But not in the sense of being confirmation of what’s best or of my own preferences…
Hey Claudiu, what are your final predictions? For the last couple of days, I am getting the sensation that EEAAO is going to clean up at the Oscars. Think about it. The film won 11 Guild awards. 8 of them in the major categories. We see pretty wide support among the Guild members. When you look at the performances in EEAAO, we have actors and actresses playing 4-5 different kind of characters and weave between different genres. These performances are loud and scream Oscars. That’s why I am thinking that Curtis, Quan, and Yeoh will win. I might change my mind. I mean, Blanchett and Bassett might have the better stats, but momentum heavily favors EEAAO.
Well, surprisingly to myself, I’m actually only predicting it for 5 wins, after having looked at all the rules (focusing on industry) and numbers. (Picture, director, screenplay, Yeoh and Quan.) Because I have concluded Top Gun: Maverick seems marginally more likely to win editing.
But there are a few categories where I’m not predicting it where it can easily win: supporting actress (toss-up, but I tend to think SAG alone will again fail to convert), editing, of course (also a toss-up, most probably, and it has swept the non-industry precursors), and song, where it’s actually the industry evidence favorite (it has other nominations besides song and it even won some GoMS award for the song), in my opinion. (Although I will personally predict “Naatu Naatu”, because even just GG+CC winners don’t lose here, and it even won Gold Derby.)
I think we’ll either have Yeoh+Condon or possibly Yeoh+Bassett winning or we’ll have Blanchett+Curtis. I think those are the possible combos in those two categories. Because I don’t think SAG will go under 2/4 and I don’t think BAFTA will go under 2/4, but it might, if they go fully narrative in supporting and give it to Bassett. (Or if Butler wins.) My intuitive predictions are Butler-Yeoh-Quan-Bassett. The industry evidence makes the first 3 + Condon the most likely winners.
I don’t think Blanchett has the superior case, in terms of industry evidence. (And maybe not even overall – Yeoh has GG, NBR, Gold Derby, SAG.) It’s about even.
Meanwhile who else here is very concerned on Disney more so than marvels judgement here ?
Rush to get rid of male heroes despite fact they far better known across ALL age demographics than female heroes bar some exceptions .
But this is getting ridiculous if Disney/ marvel getting spoon bored with main spider man cast as male then they might well stop spider man altogether . I know Tom Holland is been in lot of my movie to date but he not that old still got energy and motivation and public don’t DOBT WANT THIS RADICAL MAKEOVER of their beloved clearly defined characters for.. what ?
Just to appease the PC brigade ? The noisy minority ?
This is outrages and what cost to us?
This is VERY concerning https://insidethemagic.net/2023/03/watch-out-tom-holland-marvel-star-reportedly-the-new-spider-man-kb1/
What the heck are you talking about? They just released a Marvel movie with a male hero. Most of their streaming series have male heroes.
Oh well known one I mean how many more broadly ludicrous damaging changes to source material will marvel do can I ask u and everyone else list me example of ant man and wasp quantamania list of character changes from source comics where it not sat well with u at all why u feel ant man 3 deserved be a flop?
MCU has never stayed all that close to the source material. That’s an arbitrary thing to criticize a specific MCU movie for.
via a Goldderby user:
EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE
Guilds WON:
1. PGA (Producers)
2. DGA (Directors)
3. SAG (Actors)
4. WGA (Writers)
5. ACE (Editors)
6. ADG (Production Designers)
7. CDG (Costume Designers)
8. MUAHS (Make Up and Hair Stylists)
9. SDSA (Set Designers)
TAR Guilds WON:
Zero
Incredible!!!
NO.
Poor old thing. So sad for you crying all day and night on the 12th.
Well, it actually lost the Contemporary Hair Styling to Black Panther, so let’s not go totally overboard.
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Excellent gif! Much love.
#contemporaryhairstyling
I believe the poster just deciphered the acronyms for MUAH. i stand corrected that EEAAO won make up?
Yes, won makeup, but lost hair styling. That shows a HUGE lack of support.
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GLAD you finally are able to read and actually admit the “lots of support” part. I am proud of ya brotha/sistah (this is where i lose my respect of actual discussion with you – get ready for body blow shots coming ;))
Hey, I was happy last year, now it’s a pendulum swing back. Although, not quite as bad as when Shape of Water won.
but here are you being rude and acting like POS whenever EEAAO wins something to the dismay of others – it just says a lot about your character. i dont know what you look like or sound like but so far my conclusion is you are unbearable, trash, a keyboard warrior that LOVES to put down others just to hide that insecurity of yours.
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Shape of Water is amazing. Would do you mean?
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Is that the Nomadland crew?
Now honestly, do you see a bucket up there????
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Frances looks great here.
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Now this just sounds like gloating.
It does even tho it’s facts
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Ur brave.
We get it, you’re a sore loser lol
as Cate said to Leonardo in The Aviator “Don’t be unkind”.
The Critics Awards are among the Big 4 awards, along with Golden Globes, BAFTA, and SAG. Cate and Ke Huy Quan both won critics trifecta awards from LA, NY, and National Society.
Critics are also members of the AMPAS. They are members at large. Renowned film critic Leonard Maltin is a member of AMPAS.
Best Picture Winner
2021–CODA – 3
2020–Nomadland – 4
2019–Parasite – 4
2018–Green Book – 4
2017–The Shape of Water – 4
2016–Moonlight – 4
2015–Spotlight – 4
2014–Birdman – 4
2013–12 Years a Slave – 3
2012–Argo – 3
2011– The Artist – 5
Where is this coming from?
Moonlight won 3
Nomadland won 3
Green Book won 3
Spotlight won 2
Copy/paste mistake.
The last Best Picture Winner that won more than 3 or 4 oscars was The Artist with 5 oscars
That is what EEAAO will win. The CCA wins.
5 Oscars for EEAAO
Picture
Director
Screenplay
Supporting Actor
Editing
Yeoh has so much momentum that I doubt she will lose. I expect the film to mirror not The Artist but The Hurt Locker. Six Oscars: picture, directing, actress, supporting actor, screenplay and film editing.
You sticking with Condon?
EEAAO is under the comedy category. Thats where Michelle won GG, Comedy/musical category.
In the past 20 years, the 5 films that won multiple acting Oscars were all dramas.
Mystic River
Million Dollar Baby
The Fighter
Dallas Buyers Club
Three Billboards…
Thats another reason why I think EEAAO is not winnning multiple acting Oscars, only Quan will win. Not drama like the above.
Best Actress winning for comedy is rare. It’s usually drama. Quan is getting more praised than Yeoh.
I wouldn’t say that Evelyn Wang is a comedic role, rather dramatic with some comedic moments here and there.
It’s not a dramatic performance in a drama.
2023 ACE Eddie Awards: ‘Top Gun: Maverick’ Takes Top Drama Honors, ‘Everything’ Takes Comedy
*double roll eyes*
Yet she won for comedy instead of drama.
*rolleyes* are you new to this game? They just don’t know what to do with some genres, so they deem (either distributor or Awards body) comedy, things like action or horror… for example, that hilarious comedy that is Jordan Peele’s Get Out, at the GG, nominee for Comedy/Musical
Of course not, but why would you spin it as if she’s in drama and not comedy?
I will let you work that one out, for yourself
The best performances are from Quan and Hsu by far. They steal the show
Yep and the Academy knows it by nominating them.
I guess the only thing left to ask is WHY? Pretend I’m an alien stopping by on earth and am seeing EEAAO go all scorched earth like this.
WHY. IS. THIS. HAPPENING?
the real question is WHY ARE YOU PRESSED? at this point – ITS NOT EVEN ABOUT EEAAO – GIRL ITS ABOUT YOU. DAMN
Actually it could be to make a statement.
Gone are the sweeping epics like The English Patient. The industry doesn’t want that anymore?? The traditional Oscar movie is a thing of the past.
it all bullshit clearly most you agree wiht me there recent as 14 yrs ago it was NOT bit like stock markets a gargamtuan ‘correction’ is coming there those in AMPAS that be very concerned botu this when they have courage their convictions to speak up..not be intimidated by agregious grievances of a few twitterits and twits that is
Best Original Screenplay will probably go to EEOAO.
Between EEOAO and Fabelmans.
I reckon Banshees will take it.
the WGA (which Banshees is not eligible) or the Oscars?
Academy Award
I think Women Talking and Banshees are the most brilliant scripts this year. Succinct, powerful and cohesive.
fair points – meanwhile EEAAO gives the most original, un-oscar baity, and wildly imaginative. I feel EEAAO has a slight edge still (wins in CC, Spirit, and most likely WGA tonight).
yes i loved EEAAO but it is messy. The film has so many flashes of brilliance that add up to something really special, but for me anyway, from a writing perspective Banshees is so beautifully put together.
You couldn’t have said it better Dave. Summed up my thoughts about those films perfectly.
thanks my friend. 🙂
haha yes “messy” is another good word for it. prolly “raw” “untouched” could be good words for it too. also – this is kinda scripts that votes tend to vote for – so who knows?
I was thinking either or, not quite both. I feel since Editing most likely will go to EEAAO, Banshee might get Screenplay to “spread” the wealth.
yep that’s my theory and predictions too
Fabelmans is getting the Color Purple o-fer.
You’re gonna love this. Somebody on gold Derby actually said an hour ago EEAAO will join The Godfather as one of Oscar’s best pictures. EVER.
That is incorrect – not join – surpass it. Welcome
Have you even seen The Godfather? lol
it actually would be one of the most inspired BP choices ever… I pity those who can’t see why… but long story short, apart from being a total, risky, daring masterpiece, it’s a call to the arms to go back to ORIGINAL stuff in the age of sequels, reboots, remakes, franchise-building, etc. It just comes after hitting rock bottom with a BP winner which was an american remake of a remix of Billy Elliott and a german nominee for Foreign Film…
Hey look, it’s evidence that some people like this movie a lot and think it’s great, and that’s the reason it’s winning awards.
But The Godfather? That’s a first ballot top 10 movies of all time list. The EEAAO partisans only make themselves look WTAF by these wild boasts. EEAAO….maybe top 10,000.
I still think Banshees is going to win Original at the Oscars but I think Polley is locked here
OK, now that EEAAO has swept the guilds (save from Sound and Cinematography) it is really locked to win and sweep… it is peaking at the critical moment, so it really can win 7 Oscars…
Good to see you back to acknowledging it’s dominance. But I know why you pulled away from EE for awhile.
I still fear that it may fall in the last minute, however I wouldn’t be mad if they go for The Fabelmans or The Banshees of Inisherin, or even Top Gun: Maverick, instead… I don’t think they are way better, but they are absolutely outstanding films.
(Haven’t seen Tár, Women Talking nor Triangle of Sadness yet)
i cant take you serious – one day “at most 3” one day “maybe 2” today “up to 7”
GORL
the race evolves and honestly this complete devotion for EEAAO has taken me by surprise… by winning these guilds, it becomes an automatic frontrunner to win the same categories (common sense)
Again I’m so glad I’ll be in Disneyland most of this week, back late Saturday night so avoid the last week of nutty takes at spots.
LITERALLY
We haven’t even gotten to the posting of the ‘secret Oscar ballot” bits….
what is your opinion of those secret ballots girl?
Just that last year with “Cruz is on a roll” showed that trusting a handful of people to be speaking for a 10,000 member Academy is always tricky.
I’m thinking that if they interviewed someone who just picked chalk, they probably wouldn’t feature them. They want outliers to create artificial drama.
YOU BEEN WARNED GUILDS AND ACADEMY NOW PREPARE TO COP ABSOLUTE SHELLACKING IN RATINGS THEY PRETEND ALL THEY LIKE RATINGS DONT MATTER MORE THAN THAT TRUE VALUES WHAT AMPAS STAND FOR ARE ETERNAL. NOWHERE IN AMPAS DOES IT HAVE A ‘W’ FOR WOKE’ OR A ‘P’ FOR PC..MIGHT WELL BE ” ASSOCIATION OF MORALIZING ARTS AND SOCIOLOGY THEORY NOW “.
GEN Z IS NOT DOMINANT DEMOGRAPHIC OF AMERICA SOME INSITUTIONS HAVE GROSSLY OVERREPRESENTED THIS PORTION OF THE POPULATION THEY SUCKED IN LIKE ONE WAY VORTEX OF A BLACK HOLE INTO THIS YOUTH ACTIVIST ADDICTION…THING BOUT ADDICTIONS IS WITHDRAWAL AND FALLOUT IS MASSIVE..
IT WILL BE FOR THE ACADEMY THE HELLSTORM IS INEVITABLE IT BE THIS YEAR OR NEXT..
EVER WONDERED WHY OSCAR SLAP WAS BIGGEST TALKING POINT? COS HYSTERIA AND ANGUISH AND GRIEVANCES AMONGST HOLLYWOODS ACTIVIST ELITE UNSETTLING LOT OTHER PEOPLE WHILE IT ALONE DOES NOT JUSTIFY WILL SMITH LOSING THE PLOT IT THIS FEBRILE PRESSURE COOKER ENVIRONMENT THAT CREATING ERRORS IN OSCAR PRESENTAITON (IE MOONLIGHT WON BUT LALA LAND WAS INTIIALLY ANNOUNCED IN ENVELOPE MIX UP REMEMBER?)
LAST YEAR OSCAR SLAP FIASCO- AVOIDABLE BLUNDER BY INCREASINGLY PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE ACADEMY AND GUILDS WHO ARE DETERMINED TO SELF IMMPLODE INTO THE HEART OF THE VORTEX BLACK HOLE OF THEIR MAKING…ALL AVOIDABLE AND EVERYONE IN AMPAS AND GUILDS STILL UTTERLY BLIND TO THE DAMAGE THEY DOING IT WILLBE THEIR UNDOING I PROMISE YOU ALL THAT…
OSCARS NEED A RATING BOOST I HARDENED MY STANCE ON THIS NOW COS STILL SUCH BADLY LOW NUMBERS DESPITE SOME JUMP IN PANDEMIC YEAR WORST OF..,.IT STILL SO FAR OFF THE PACE THEY HAVE TO SUCCESSFULLY SELL EEAAO WINNING 7 OSCARS MINIMUM I PREDICTED TO RESPECTRABLE AUDIENCE..
I SAID + 3 MILLION IS ACCEPTABLE BUT GIVEN AVERAGE DECLINE IS OVER 10 MILLL VIEWERS IT SHOULD NOW BE + 6 MILLION TO BE ACCEPTABLE WHICH IS STILL LOOONG WAY OFF THE PACE IT WAS …5 YRS AGO WHEN IT REACHED 25-30 MIL
EVEN BEFORE STREAMING BECAME THING REMAINS TO BE SEEN TRUILY TESTED HOW MUCH IT TAKE OVER TRADTIIONAL BROADCASTS…FOR LIVE SHOWS….FACT IS THERE WAS STILL IN MY VIEW PERIOD OF HALF PREF BALLOT ERA WHER STREANING NOT EVEN SECONDARY CONSIDERATION IN FIRST HALF OF IT.. THEREFORE IT PREF BALLOT AND THESE NEW DELUSIONAL RULES GIVE BIAS AND FAVOURITISM TO ACTIVIST MINORITY BEST PIC CONTENDERS THAT DROVE AUDIENCES AWAY. SIMPLE AS THAT!
AMPAS CANNOT AFFORD TO IGNORE THE MAJORITY THIS IS UNSUSTAINABLE PATH….
You are seriously unhinged. Please take a break.
EEAAO is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, guild winners ever: 4 SAG awards (a record!), the PGA, the DGA, the WGA, the ACE, the ADG, the CDG.
Only Slumdog had SAG, DGA, PGA, WGA, ACE, but unlike EEAAO it only had ensemble at SAG.
AND YET ONLY A MINORITY TRULY care come now you know well as i do guilds and awards season is ensnared by far left activist brigade REGARDLESS whether filmmakers intended it or not explain to me why this excuse for sciencw fiction is one to be game changer but i wager even past sci fi masterpieces made by reputable established actors and filmakers you know them well as i do were overlooked? hmm? sound to lot of us like blatant suck up job to the youth activism at a time this is simply NOT DOMINANT DEMOGRAPHIC IN THE WORLD!
Argo had those big five wins, too. (Also only ensemble at SAG.) EEAAO is definitely the biggest guild winner ever, in any case. I understand it’s even won every guild award it’s been nominated for?! Is that accurate? I’ve seen multiple people claim it, already.
Well, how’s over. Go home y’all. EEAAO is going to feckin sweep atleast 10/11 of the oscars it’s nominated for and probably 11/11 if they tie for best supporting actress.
It’s silly to pretend it won’t. This is obviously not to say it deserves all those wins. I could understand the doubts if it had genuinely faltered somewhere. But it hasn’t. It has won across the board. Like each and every guild.
It deserves 5-6. NOT TEN.
Yup.
I am confident it’ll take BP/BD/SUP ACTOR/EDITING, 50/50 ACTRESS/SCREENPLAY – so 4-6. Anything more than that is icing and a little unlikely.
yep, I ended up settling on 5. Y’all wore me down on Spielberg not winning, so I’ve predicted EEAAO for BP, BD, Actress, Supp Actor and Editing.
what makes you so confident about Actress? i am at 51% Cate 49% Yeoh…
I am probably equivocating between those numbers, it is so close. If you’d told me a few weeks ago that Cate could be beaten, i’d have laughed mockingly, but Michelle Yeoh has not only done well in the precursors, she has acquitted herself so beautifully with speeches, publicity, that she feels like a winner from where I sit.
That said, I don’t think there’s a better performance by anybody these last few years than the one that Cate gave in ‘Tar’, but 45 years of Oscar watching has taught me many things, but one thing especially – it is so often not about the ‘best’ whatever that is, but the narrative and the campaigns.
True Yeoh has all the momentum going into next Sunday but chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiild i can NOT JINXXX
🙂
I’m going to sit on the fence on this one in my heart. As an Aussie I’d love to see Cate win her 3rd, but also there is so much heart and excitement in Michelle and her movie. It won me over, and normally I would not be into a film like EEAAO, but it clearly resonated with me, as did Tar. Either outcome will be sweet for me. And I think a Yeoh win will move the dial – make of that in any way people want 🙂
This is beautiful to read thank u
aww thanks Sam. 🙂
Yeoh has momentum. And she has the narrative. And the Blanchett stans can pretend all they want but Yeoh has the performance as well. A legend!
That’s where I’m at there.
If you spent as much time searching for gainful employment instead of whining about movies you’ll never watch you’d be a much happier man lol
The Academy is still voting as of now as we need to find out which way they’ll swing.
I’ve heard the Academy swings both ways. Just sayin’…
The movie that is winning all the awards may win big on Oscar night but it’s doubtful it will win all the acting awards. I’d say one, the rest are too competitive and subjective.
IMHO.
Not Best Actor for sure.
PGA, DGA, WGA, SAG, ACE win for EEOAO. It won all the major home town precursors. I highly doubt it will go south on 3/12. Also it also makes BAFTA look silly.
No, BAFTA will make the Oscars look silly. BAFTA honored real films.
No proof of that except your opinion. It is all about the Oscars, BAFTA just wants to be relevant, and they got it all wrong again. Just because your favorite film is not doing well, doesn’t mean Oscars got it wrong.
You are incorrect.
I guess BAFTA made the Oscars look silly last year with Dog taking BP.
You don’t get to dish it out and not take it.
I would’ve gladly taken Dog over buttplugs.
I would gladly take the film that’s message is about empathy, acceptance and kindness. Don’t embarrass yourself – you should be better than that.
Is the poor adaptation of All Quiet a real film?
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Let’s just take a look at the people that you know better than
(also: Did people attack you for CODA the same way you are attacking everyone?)
EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE
Guilds WON:
1. PGA (Producers)
2. DGA (Directors)
3. SAG (Actors)
4. WGA (Writers)
5. ACE (Editors)
6. ADG (Production Designers)
7. CDG (Costume Designers)
8. MUAHS (Make Up and Hair Stylists)
9. SDSA (Set Designers)
(thanks to Sam for the list)
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I would attempt to find a gif of a pubescent girl, but I can actually be articulate. THANKS
THE REACCCCHHHHHH ROFL
Are you referring to this one?
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Once again, Dog was at least a real film.
Well, it took a year, but better late than never. See you this next time year when you shower similar praise on EEEAaO.
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Strictly comparison shopping. And it could’ve been worse. Top Gun would’ve been the worst pick of this century.
Hmmm.
CODA, Top Gun. CODA, Top Gun. CODA…no, Top Gun definitely worse.
For the past few years it appears that BAFTA wants to become it’s own thing and not a precursor for Oscars. I find that admirable. In no way silly.
It’s own thing? They nominate 90 percent American films from Hollywood. That’s not doing its own thing, but maybe All Quiet on The Western Front is the beginning of what you’re talking about.
I think when they implemented the committees for nominations it was clear they were looking to stand apart. That 90% statistic is untrue.
Lolol nah. It makes BAFTA look like the used discernment and were brave not to be swayed into following a flavor of the moment.
The literal point of giving out awards is to reflect the flavor of the moment. Otherwise it would be the Sight + Sound poll.
Nope.
The point of awards is to award the greatest achievement in a single year—sometimes they get it right and sometimes they don’t. BAFTA reflected a gorgeous cinematic achievement that towers high above most of the competition—especially over EEAAO. EEAAO is kooky, sorta fun-ish, and the cast and filmmakers are fun to watch win—it is a flavor of the moment. Like CODA, EEAAO will be looked back on and thought, “What? Why?”….
When EEAAO sweeps, it better take JLC along, or I will be a tad disappointed—I’ve made my peace with it winning. But I’ll defend BAFTA for seeing clearly.
Let’s just take a look at the people that you know better than:
EEAAO will hold up extremely well. And beloved.
EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE
Guilds WON:
1. PGA (Producers)
2. DGA (Directors)
3. SAG (Actors)
4. WGA (Writers)
5. ACE (Editors)
6. ADG (Production Designers)
7. CDG (Costume Designers)
8. MUAHS (Make Up and Hair Stylists)
9. SDSA (Set Designers)
also 1930 AQOTWF was FAR superior. A deserved BP winner.
(thanks to Sam for the list
Also IMO they’ve gotten it “right” maybe 5 out of 95 times.
Oohhhh which 5 you think?
I have 10 that I agree with.
AQOTWF 1930
Rebecca
All About Eve
The Apartment
Midnight Cowboy (I actually prefer Z, but MC is a great, bold choice for the time)
Godfather 2
Annie Hall
No Country For Old Men
Moonlight
Parasite
Add in Gone with the Wind, Ben-Hur and American Beauty, and then I’d would 100% agree.
Happy to see Rebecca made your list. Such underrated Hitchcock, that usually gets overshadowed.
I love American Beauty! Not many do, anymore… (Due to the Spacey thing and not only.)
American Beauty is near perfect. It’s commentary on suburban life, “American Dream”, and all its flaws.
Spacey, gave a spectacular performance. Bening, deserved the Oscar that year, though it was a tough call between her and Swank. I’d have nominated Cooper.
Knowing what we know now about Spacey, it does make the plot feel uncomfortable—and I haven’t seen it since Spacey’s demise, I don’t want it to ruin my perspective of the film…I might give it a go, soon.
And my girl Thora Birch… What a cast! What a picture!… 🙂
I haven’t seen it again since Spacey was cancelled, either. (I should, too, yeah.) I suspect I won’t care. (Although I can’t say I’m 100% sure.) The character is the character – it’s not actually Spacey. He’s just the vehicle for the character. Logically, I see no reason why I should care who plays the part. But who knows?!
I try not to let the whole cancel situation of some celebrities bother their past work. I try to separate the artist from the art.
Polanski made some iconic and brilliant films—even after his situation. I mean The Pianist is gut wrenching and so good. Same goes for Woody. So, Spacey, in my opinion, probably wouldn’t change my mind….I just don’t want to even think about that while watching the movie. I hold it in such high regard that I don’t want it ruined. Lol
I sympathize completely! I, too, absolutely do not want to think about such things when I’m watching movies. But maybe it will happen anyway, even if I don’t want it to. I don’t know if I’ve rewatched anything featuring anybody that was cancelled yet, that’s why I’m not sure how this would go for me. These cancellations are all pretty recent, comparatively speaking. 🙂
I think I must have rewatched some Polanski stuff (possibly even The Pianist) after I first found out what had gone on with him. I don’t think it affected me. But it’s been a while, in that case, I think.
A moment that has lasted since March and will resonate for an even longer time, my friend.
Comparing those two films (especially before next Sunday night) is like comparing Green Book to the movie that won the following year. Makes my head hurt.
What would you have chosen over Green Book?
Any of the other nominees except Vice, Bohemian Rhapsody and A Star Is Born.
I’d add Roma, and then I’d agree.
I’m not the biggest fan of Roma, but there was a lot more for me to appreciate than in Green Book. #blackandwhitecinematography
Wow. The ignorance.
1. The rudeness.
2. What is ignorant about my comment? Other than the fact that you don’t agree—which would be subjective. Right?
Hooray for the days of our lives winning! It is the most outlandish absurd TV show of any variety. It is endlessly hilarious with lines like “Who knew hell had such a good gym” and “I haven’t been this disappointed in you since you were possessed by the devil.” Leo Stark is an amazing creation, the funniest person on TV.
Also the most realistic depiction of a gay couple on TV.
Someone else might be able to produce the stats because I know it isn’t 100% (in particularly 2019 was an outrageous outlier to this) but generally if the Oscar winner is eligible here it will win here first (but not being eligible here generally doesn’t hurt a film’s chances at winning here).
Therefore, we can’t think of this as bad for Banshees or All Quiet as the main 2 alternatives in original and adapted respectively. I don’t think anything but those 2 can beat the 2 winners here even though the stat here isn’t 100%. I feel like films like Tar, Top Gun and The Fabelmans really needed to win here to show that they could.
In reality these are probably your 2 Oscar winners
I remember nomadland was suppose to steamroll to screenplay win due to Chloe Zhao being a hot commodity that year, but its script was illegible at the WGA. it eventually lost at the Oscars to The Father (per Alex oddly enough ineligible but gained steamed then).
Actually the Oscar winner that year (The Father) was also ineligible so something ridiculous happened (I think like Borat 2 or something like that).
A good example of what you describe actually happened previously to Mcdonagh – he was widely expected to win the Oscar but ineligible at WGA which Get Out won which then went on to win the Oscar
Borat 2 wasn’t ridiculous. Both Borat films garnered WGA and Oscar nominations for screenplay.
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wow bless Mcdonaugh… but yes i believe this might be what will happen come next Sunday
EEAAO wins Original.
Now it’s between that, Fabelman, and the Banshees at the Oscars for Best Original Screenplay.
EEAAO vs Banshees – with edge to EEAAO now.
Fablemens LOL
Unfortunately it’s a nominee.
No way it’s winning
Nice win for Severance
Nice win for Women Talking.
Hopefully this can lock the adapted screenplay there.
Let’s go Banshees!
Is it nominated here….?
It wasn’t eligible here
No it’s not. Fabelman is.
What was the last movie to win PGA/DGA/SAG/WGA?
didnt someone say Slumdog or something? not sure. But if it wins WGA in a few, adding ACE – i heard it’s first time ever that it won 5 top guilds (PGA/SGA/WGA/DGA/ACE).
I think you’re right, it was Slumdog. Which nearly swept. Sans sound editing.
Slumdog also had BAFTA
which keeps me nervous about Oscar night that they gave no love to EEAAO.
I think Bafta made the right decision. EEAAO is such a confusing movie.
BAFTA was a revolt for some reason this season. Going for Quite and not even their home movie Banshees to help them out. But still I am weary. Also EEAAO was not a bit confusing to me at all, but to some people sure.
Not confusing at all.
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and was it the preferencial era? funny enoug slumdog swept everything as we know.
It was the year before they instated the preferential ballot, I believe…
Slumdog Millionaire won the top prizes at the Golden Globe and Bafta also. EEAAO is following Birdman. The difference is that Birdman did not have an editing nomination and did not win an acting award at the Oscars.
Ugh, don’t remind me of Birdman.
i’ve never seen (just not interested enough to watch it). you dont like?
It’s fine. Bit of a gimmick. But Boyhood (and Grand Budapest Hotel…and Whiplash) were right there!
Grand Budapest was fun!
which boasts EEAAO’s chance even greater where Birdman missed editing & no acting winners and EEAAO is poised to win editing & some actings.
No way it’s losing here. It’s now the biggest juggernaut we’ve ever seen. Missing those scrappy Indy days when there was nothing but love….
Slumdog Millionaire and Argo are the other two to win those top 5 guilds.
would you say with EEAAO also winning 3 solo SAGs it adds even more weight to what it accomplished? compared to Slumdog & Argo (no solo SAG wins).
Oh, without a doubt! It’s clearly the biggest guild winner ever.
Cloud Atlas
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Not sure why Cloud Atlas is viewed so poorly. I know Tom Hanks gets much of the blame.
Having read the book beforehand I though the movie did a reasonable job of adaptation.
Hopefully the movie isn’t preventing people from reading a truly marvelous book.
What’s “reading”?
That’s sad
it’s something people do somewhere else in the multiverse
Pretty sure it’s Argo.
So Women Talking won over Top Gun and Black Panther Wakanda Forever.
Not surprising.
Gee, real high bar to clear there.
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Don’t be too sure. Could’ve been Black Panther since it’s from Marvel.
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Do you think All Quiet On the Western Front will give Women Talking competition at the Oscars?
I initially thought that AQ could win adapted, but war films rarely win. They are more about the spectacle. You’d have to go back to River Kwai to find an adapted screenplay that won.